Soccer Dad

The Palestinians believe its others' responsibility to give them a state. They talk about a unilateral declaration of independence but haven't done the hard work to wean themselves off dependence upon the world. Palestinian nationalism is a farce and every one knows it.

Israel doesn't "occupy" "palestinian" territory since the territory never belonged to the so-called palestinians who never existed as a nationality and palestine has never existed as a sovereign state.

Isn't it telling that Hoagland claims the American government "reflexively" huddles around Israel, as if there's no rational thought behind it? Certainly American rejection and criticism of the report couldn't have been based on valid points!

The Palestnians are trying to build a 'country of their own'. Thats the whole point of resisting Israels brutal occupation which controls all aspects of Palestinian live from their movement, boarders,resources to who they can trade with.

It is Israel who is dependent on the outside world for its survival. Isael, just like any colony, needs a sponser [Engand for its creation and now USA for is survival] and would wither away without a colonial sponser. Without American support the jews in Israel would start to immigrate back to their former homes as the cost of sustaining a Jewish colony would become to high for most Israelis to bear.

Cut the bullshit sASS, the so-called "palestinians" have never tried to build a country of their own but instead have only tried to destroy Israel. When Israel relinquished Gaza, what did they do? They burned down the greenhouses instead of using them, voted in hamas who used the territory to launch rockets at Israel. The entire movement to create a second arab state in palestine has always been about the abolishment of Israel.

Israel is not dependent on outside support. Go ahead and read "the Israel Test" and "Startup Nation" and look through Israel21c.com to see just what an economic miracle Israel is. Furthermore Israel is not a colonial state. Jews have a history in the land of Israel going back 3500 years. Jews ARE the indigenous people of Israel. So shove your islamist and left wing propaganda. People on this site are far too knowledgable to buy into it. Go post your filth on the moonbat sites where it belongs, such as the huffpost or the dailykos.

Oh and I should also add that the "palestinians" are the world's biggest welfare recipients. They are the ones who actually depend on outside sources for their survival.

IF any other country recieved the same support as israel, they too could claim a 'economic miracle' .

Israel does not now need the aid. (And, frankly, I wish they'd phase it out.) However, for too long Israel depended on the aid allowing it to get away with irresponsible economic policies.

The Israeli economic miracle emerged from entrepreneurship, not foreign aid.

'The Israeli economic miracle emerged from entrepreneurship' of recieving aid it doesn't need from a country which can not afford it. And lets not forget the success from the captive market of the Occupied Territories in which the millions of Palestinians a forced to buy Israeli goods a hugely inflated prices. IF anyone could make a success out of oppression and misery then recieve all that 'aid it doesn't need 'its definately the zionist.

Are you capable of reason or just of repeating the standard Hamas refrain? From 1967 to 1993 the Palestinian economy actually grew at an impressive rate. When the kleptocrat Arafat took over, he killed the economic growth and diverted foreign aid to his cronies.

May I suggest that you look up Helena Cobban? Her anti-Israel pro-terror opinions are likely to bring much joy to your heart. They don't require any thinking.

Indeed sASS you are incapable of reason. The so-called "aid" Israel receives amounts to 1% of its GDP. To claim that is what created Israel's economic miracle is laughable not to mention that money is military "aid" in the form of loans on the condition that it be used to buy military equipment from the US. You can't accept the fact that Jews are brilliant, industrious, successful people. Well deal with it.

Soccerdad ,you make it sound the best thing to happen to the Palestinian people was the illegal occupation, which improved the economy. Why all the fuss then when they should be grateful that Israel has exploited labour, resources and production making them the classic definition of a captive market. .
http://www.btselem.org/english/Freedom_of_Movement/Economy_1967_1994.asp
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9619.shtml

Laura, I do agree 'the jews are brilliant, industrious, successful people' and also ruthless, spartan,and fanactical . NO one else could portray themselves 'the victim' and gain so much.

Efraim Karsh, who is head of Mediterranean studies at King's College, University of London:

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/what-occupation--9485?mode=addview

"Prior to the 1967 war, fewer than 60 percent of all male adults had been employed, with unemployment among refugees running as high as 83 percent. Within a brief period after the war, Israeli occupation had led to dramatic improvements in general well-being, placing the population of the territories ahead of most of their Arab neighbors.

In the economic sphere, most of this progress was the result of access to the far larger and more advanced Israeli economy, the number of Palestinians working in Israel rose from zero in 1967 to 66,000 in 1975 and 109,000 by 1986, accounting for 35 percent of the employed population of the West Bank and 45 percent in Gaza. Close to 2,000 industrial plants, employing almost half of the work force, were established in the territories under Israeli rule.

During the 1970's, the West Bank and Gaza constituted the fourth fastest-growing economy in the world—ahead of such “wonders” as Singapore, Hong Kong, and Korea, and substantially ahead of Israel itself. Although GNP per capita grew somewhat more slowly, the rate was still high by international standards, with per-capita GNP expanding tenfold between 1968 and 1991 from $165 to $1,715 (compared with Jordan's $1,050, Egypt's $600, Turkey's $1,630, and Tunisia's $1,440). By 1999, Palestinian per-capita income was nearly double Syria's, more than four times Yemen's, and 10 percent higher than Jordan's (one of the better-off Arab states). Only the oil-rich Gulf states and Lebanon were more affluent.

Under Israeli rule, the Palestinians also made vast progress in social welfare. Perhaps most significantly, mortality rates in the West Bank and Gaza fell by more than two-thirds between 1970 and 1990, while life expectancy rose from 48 years in 1967 to 72 in 2000 (compared with an average of 68 years for all the countries of the Middle East and North Africa). Israeli medical programs reduced the infant-mortality rate of 60 per 1,000 live births in 1968 to 15 per 1,000 in 2000 (in Iraq the rate is 64, in Egypt 40, in Jordan 23, in Syria 22). And under a systematic program of inoculation, childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, tetanus, and measles were eradicated.

No less remarkable were advances in the Palestinians' standard of living. By 1986, 92.8 percent of the population in the West Bank and Gaza had electricity around the clock, as compared to 20.5 percent in 1967; 85 percent had running water in dwellings, as compared to 16 percent in 1967; 83.5 percent had electric or gas ranges for cooking, as compared to 4 percent in 1967; and so on for refrigerators, televisions, and cars.

Finally, and perhaps most strikingly, during the two decades preceding the intifada of the late 1980's, the number of schoolchildren in the territories grew by 102 percent, and the number of classes by 99 percent, though the population itself had grown by only 28 percent. Even more dramatic was the progress in higher education. At the time of the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, not a single university existed in these territories. By the early 1990's, there were seven such institutions, boasting some 16,500 students. Illiteracy rates dropped to 14 percent of adults over age 15, compared with 69 percent in Morocco, 61 percent in Egypt, 45 percent in Tunisia, and 44 percent in Syria."

"Laura, I do agree 'the jews are brilliant, industrious, successful people' and also ruthless, spartan,and fanactical".
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I guess this puts to rest the notion that you are not an anti-Semite, just a "critic" of Israel's policies.
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"NO one else could portray themselves 'the victim' and gain so much."
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Yes the fake people known as the "palestinians" have done precisely that.