Soccer Dad

who are we to believe, the multiple independant investigations or the investigation by the IDF?

if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quaks like a duck- chances are its a duck.

Of course we should believe investigations conducted by groups who get their funding from saudi arabia and who receive their accounts from hamas and other palestinian "eyewitnesses." Not to mention "experts" who deny hamas uses children as human shields even though hamas has boasted about doing just that.

it is to be expecteed that the purblind orthodox in the US attack these independant NGOs.
maybe the corrupt arab regimes should use the same argument in all the reports critical of them.- 'that these groups[NGOs] who get their funding from USA and the west are not credible'.
it is what it is .it is quite obvious that the IDF indiscrimately bomded parts of gaza killing mainly innocent civillians which accounts for the number of children killed.isreal is guilty of war crimes and its a myth to believe that the IDF is a disaplined army which stands for 'purity of arms'.
palestinian civillians are not forced to become human shields by hamas. it just proves how defenceless the palestinians really are when the civiilians are protecting their leaders from attack.

"palestinian civillians are not forced to become human shields by hamas. it just proves how defenceless the palestinians really are when the civiilians are protecting their leaders from attack."
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You have to be kidding. You're sicker in the head than I even thought. Burn in hell for being the nazi you are. David haven't we had enough of this vile mutant? It's fine to have reasonable, rational commenters we disagree with, but this trash needs to be taken out.

I'll say it again, ass, you scumbag. “Human rights” groups which receive money from saudi arabia, headed by blatantly bias “experts” who deny hamas uses human shields even as the terror group boasts about doing just that, receive questionable “eyewitness” accounts from hamas and other palestinians who have been coerced and threatened by hamas into telling lies about the IDF, deserve their credibility to be questioned.

does hamas threaten and coerce the IDF soldiers who are speaking out?
what about those israeli who refuse to go the occupied territories to do their military service?
what about all those israelis who are speaking out about the oppression in the occupied territories?
what about israeli human rights groups who collaborate what HRW and amesty have been saying for years?

laura, your no different than a holocost denier who refuses to acknowledge the truth when confronted with overwhelming facts.

Sass - don't bother arguing with Laura, she's as much of a racist as any neo-nazi or white supremacist. She has never once engaged in a rational discussion of facts that I have seen. She goes straight to name-calling. In her eyes, anyone who doesn't support the occupation must be an anti-semite. It's the same absurd patriotism that leads to American conservatives whining about Obama being on an "apology tour." In their eyes, the state cannot be wrong - no matter what.

I have repeatedly engaged in rational discussions of facts which are ignored or dismissed.

Those who are anti-Semites are people who would deny the Jewish people the right to their own homeland and who support the ethnic cleansing of Jews. Sass is amongst them.

And conservatives are right to complain about obama's apology tour, which it exactly what it was. America has nothing to apologize for. We have been the greatest force for good in the world.