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June 11, 2009
New Poll: Israelis Back Netanyahu On Settlements--But Not Overwhelmingly
IMRA has the results of a poll by Maagar Mochot poll that finds Israelis want Netanyahu to reject Obama's demands on the settlements:According to various reports in the international press President Obama hasTrue, Israelis back Netanyahu on the settlements, but not overwhelmingly so. They may be reacting out of resentment of the pressure that Obama is applying than out of principled defense of the settlements per se.
given an ultimatum to Prime Minister Netanyahu according to which Israel
must enter negotiations for the establishment of a sovereign Palestinian
state within two years.
#1 Should Netanyahu agree to President Obama's demand of a complete
construction freeze beyond the Green Line - including in Jerusalem and
settlement blocs - including "natural growth"?
No 56% Yes 37% Other replies 7%
(Among Likud voters: No 81% Yes 12% Other 7%)
#2 Is President Obama's demand of a construction halt truly a "make or
break" issue for the United States or if Netanyahu holds his ground there
really won't be a crisis?
Make or break 32% Won't be a crisis 50% Other replies 18%
(Among Likud voters: Make or break 19% Won't be crisis 63% Other 18%)
#3. Should Netanyahu agree to President Obama's reported demand that Israel rescind Israeli sovereignty over the Old City and other parts of Jerusalem that are beyond the Green Line as part of an agreement with the Palestinians?
No 69% Yes 18% Other replies 13%
Kadima voters: No 63% Yes 26% Other 11%
Labor voters: No 57% Yes 29% Other 14%
Likud voters: No 82% Yes 1% Other 17%
#4 Should Netanyahu agree to President Obama's reported demand that Israel abandon the settlement blocs as part of an agreement with the Palestinians?
No 51% Yes 34% Other replies 15%
Likud voters: No 75% Yes 17% Other 8%
#5 If Netanyahu bows to current U.S. pressure on the matter of construction in Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, will the pressure that the United State places on Israel in the future be less, the same or increase?
Less pressure 23% Same pressure 22% More pressure 39% Other replies 16%
Likud voters: Less 19% Same 23% More 39% Other 19%
#6 Was Binyamin Netanyahu correct when he warned in the past that if a sovereign Palestinian state were established that it would be impossible to enforce security restrictions and limitations on it?
Was right 59% Wrong 28% Other replies 13%
Likud voters: Was right 83% Wrong 15% Other 2%
Kadima voters: Was right 43% Wrong 42% Other 15%
Posted by daledamos at June 11, 2009 1:48 PM
Hezbollah in passive voice
A cynical and mistrusted offer
Wapo: peace process succeeding because of the great work of the administration
Council speak 100610
Nyt: peace process failing despite the great work of the administration
Do we have enough regulations yet?
Iranian General: "US, Mossad played roles in 9/11 event"
Absolving arafat, ten years later
Rahm can't run? antisemites!
The politics of peace
Daled, had the US placed pressure on the Palestinians and Arabs to negotiate with Israel, there would be talks today. Its not Israel that is holding them up and Israelis would like to see peace. Its the Arab side that refuses to hold discussions unless Israel agrees to the Arab terms first.
Posted by: NormanF at June 11, 2009 4:16 PMMaybe.
But applying pressure on them would be just as likely to cause them to draw the wagons together and resist any action--of course, that is not the reason Obama is pressuring Israel.
In any case, now that the Arab world sees which way the wind is blowing, they will again see now reason to make concessions.
Posted by: Daled Amos at June 11, 2009 4:33 PMIsrael is the only party that can be persuaded to relent. The Arabs won't budge.
Of course they won't make concessions when it looks like Israel is going to give them what they want anyway. For the Arabs, the wind is blowing in the right direction.
Posted by: NormanF at June 11, 2009 6:06 PMFROM CAROL HERMAN
In politics, live maneuvers in war (where you need to keep troops moving, and supplies moving along with them) battles can be lost if there are SNAFU's.
Bibi has done something interesting. Instead of responding to Obama right away; he's giving this time for Israelis, themselves, to discuss if they'll support their prime minister. And, so far, it seems that Bibi's support is growing.
Obama, meanwhile, is shilling for the Saud's! They bought and paid for run as a contendah against a brain dead opponent. And, the Saud's want "their unworkable offer" to get more mileage; when it died, before. The last time on Dubya's watch.
Some say Obama can get nastier, ahead. But you tell me, can he get anymore nasty than Livni? So, there ya go. Enter a life in politics, and you're gonna find someone trying to paint a bull's eye on your back.
For many Americans, so far, Obama's reaching for Dubya's old bag of diplomatic tricks doesn't even make sense.
For Obama? He forgot to learn anything when Jimmy Carter carried water for the Saud's.
Posted by: Carol Herman at June 11, 2009 8:44 PMThe whole discussion is surrealistic at best. Our differences with the Palestinians are irreconcilable, no two-state solution can be implemented under current circumstances (Hamas in Gaza, Abbas is a powerless nonentity, the vast majority of Israelis (even if only in the back of their mind) realize that this is an ideological war that will never be satified under conditions except our destruction, & the Iranian nuclear issue is still the major factor in the Middle-East. Obama will undoubtably become nastier, especially under the influence of our two Jewish traitors Rahm & Axelrod & the ''J-Street'' crowd.
But, in all liklihood, Obama's popularity will crash & burn which will relieve pressure on Israel.