May 8, 2009

Monster meshal

Earlier this week Khaled Meshal a leader of Hamas gave an interview to the New York Times. There have been a number of commentaries written about the interview. Now Charles Krauthammer weighs in.

Just as Jonathan Tobin noted the other day, Krauthammer writes (or here) that Khaled Meshal learned very well from Arafat.


Westerners may be stupid, but Hamas is not. It sees the new American administration making overtures to Iran and Syria. It sees Europe, led by Britain, beginning to accept Hezbollah. It sees itself as next in line. And it knows what to do. Yasser Arafat wrote the playbook.

With the 1993 Oslo accords, he showed what can be achieved with a fake peace treaty with Israel -- universal diplomatic recognition, billions of dollars of aid, and control of Gaza and the West Bank, which Arafat turned into an armed camp. In return for a signature, he created in the Palestinian territories the capacity to carry on the war against Israel that the Arab states had begun in 1948 but had given up after the bloody hell of the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

In an excellent and wonderfully titled essay, We fooled you, We Intend to Destroy You. So Now What Will You Give Us? Barry Rubin describes the pattern Arafat followed to build that capacity.


This small incident was a metaphor for everything that happened later. Arafat had shown that his word could not be trusted. Time after time, he begged and demanded concessions from others without ever really giving any himself. Yet a belief repeatedly prevailed that the next time he would do better or that once the two sides made a comprehensive deal everything would change.

Rubin concludes:

We shouldn't forget that except for the fact that Arafat himself is dead, the leadership of Fatah and the PA today is exactly the same as it was in the 1990s. Hamas is worse. When someone who is trying to fool you now brags about how they did so in the past, attention must be paid.

And if Hamas won't explicitly forswear terror, its words are worthless.

But didn't Meshal say that Hamas wasn't firing rockets at Israel for now? As M J Rosenberg wrote the other day, accepting, at face value, Meshal's claim that Hamas wouldn't fire on Israel:

Here is an opportunity to bring Hamas into the peace process while simultaneously preserving a key role for the Fatah moderates.

If stopping the rockets from Gaza was so significant a priority that it was worth going to war over (and taking the lives of 1,4000 Palestinians, mostly innocent), it should be important enough to take a chance and explore what Meshal may be offering.

Or is taking risks for peace been ruled out in favor of more war. Anyway, there is no risk involved. Exploring a peace feeler is risk-free.

But the next day, Hamas attacked Israel.

The Hamas terrorist organization proudly claimed responsibility for a mortar attack on western Negev communities Wednesday morning, a day after the United Nations officially released a report criticizing Operation Cast Lead.

The attack also came one day after The New York Times published an interview with Hamas politburo chief Khaled Mashaal, who claimed that the group had ceased its rocket attacks on Israel after the military operation ended.

Five mortar shells exploded near the security barrier adjacent to the Sha'ar HaNegev region. The Gaza Belt community of Sderot, which has been a frequent target of terror rocket attacks, is located in the area

Hmm. Do you think that Rosenberg will criticize Hamas for being insincere about its "peace feelers?"

Actually Meshal denied that he had ordered a halt in attacking Israel, and Hamas was offended that anyone suggested that they were fighting terror.

(To enhance his credibility in the future Rosenberg should stick to making smug remarks that have shelf lives of mroe than one day.)

In other words, there was no need for Israel to ignore the "peace feelers" from Hamas, there were none to begin with.

While history doesn't prove that Meshal wasn't making a substantive statement, history certainly suggested that his remarks were superficial posturing so that he'd look good in a West that is so enamored of visions of lambs and lions lying down together that it doesn't pay attention to see if another lamb is fed to the lion each day.

Meshal isn't a born again peace maker. He's still a terrorist monster. Same as it ever was.

Earlier Krauthammer: Hamas's extremism can't be dismissed. Most Palestinians supported it!

(This post is slightly different from its original form. It has been edited for clarity.)

Crossposted on Yourish.

Posted by SoccerDad at May 8, 2009 2:18 AM
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Comments

I wanted to point something out here. On the Yahoo News section, in a story titled "Pro-Israel lobbyist hits back at prosecutors" by AP Writer Mark Lavie, I noticed the following quote:

Rosen warned that other officials in Jewish organizations may be targets for similar charges. "They still believe there are Jewish spies under every bed," he said.

Please note that he said "Jewish spies," not "Israeli spies." This is another instance of the Israeli policy of pushing the concept that Jewish and Zionist are the same thing.

One of the big problems we (U.S.) have in fighting terrorists is the perception that the War on Terror is a War on Islam. The terrorists use propaganda to push this idea: Global Jihad and Islam are the same thing. How can you expect Israel and the Palestinians to achieve peace when their leaders are both extremist nuts.

Bibi won't even say the words "two-state solution" and you expect concessions from Hamas? On one side, you have a democratically-elected Israeli leader, backed by the U.S. who has publicly called for the establishment of Greater Israel - the destruction of the Palestinian State which is the globally-accepted solution agreed to by both sides multiple times, most recently at Annapolis. On the other side, you have a democratically-elected Palestinian faction, backed by Iran, which has called for the total destruction of Israel. Bibi refuses to recognize the Palestinians' right to a free, soverign state and Meshal refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel's gov't is a right-wing group of Jewish Extremists (Zionists). Palestinian gov't is a right-wing group of Islamic Extremists (Jihadhis). Both sides demand a long list of concessions from the other, but refuse to make any themselves. Both pursue extremely absurd lines of reasoning. For example, in the same way that it is absurd for Hamas to expect Israel to release 400+ Palestinian POWs for one Israeli soldier, it is absurd for Israel to demand that any peace deals be tied to the prior release of Gilad Shalit or launch a war in Lebanon over six captured Israeli soldiers when Israel is holding thousands of POWs.

I am repeatedly accused of being an anti-semite for suggesting that the U.S. treat Israel no worse and no better than all other nations in the Middle East. Until we do that, we cannot be considered an hones broker.

Posted by: construcivecritic at May 8, 2009 11:32 AM

Oh, and how about this:
I think that much progress could be made through some quid-pro-quo deals.

Hamas agrees to formally renounce violence in exchange for Israel doing the same.
Hamas agrees to recognize Israel in exchange for Israel agreeing to recognize Hamas.
Iran agrees to give up their nuclear program in exchange for the internationally verified nuclear disarmament of Israel.
Israel agrees to stop using indiscriminate killing machines against Gaza and the West Bank in exchange for Hamas, Fatah, and the various militant groups' agreement to only attack military and gov't targets. (This hinges on Israel's ability to recognize what, exactly, a "soldier's" job description is and stop refusing to differentiate between soldiers and civilians. This is a huge problem.)

This is just a start, but I'm sure you can all figure out the pattern. Of course, the best choice would be for the Israelis to sign on to the Arab Peace Initiative, but since that proposal is a reasonable one, I'm sure it makes no sense to most of the Israeli gov't and the ones who do understand it are terrified of it.

Posted by: construcivecritic at May 8, 2009 11:47 AM

I am repeatedly accused of being an anti-semite for suggesting that the U.S. treat Israel no worse and no better than all other nations in the Middle East.

Does it make any difference to you who are allies are and who are enemies are? Let's treat Canada exactly like Syria?

Posted by: Yitzchak Goodman at May 8, 2009 12:01 PM

Amazing.

Posted by: Dotar Sojat at May 8, 2009 12:03 PM

Israel agrees to stop using indiscriminate killing machines against Gaza and the West Bank in exchange for Hamas, Fatah, and the various militant groups' agreement to only attack military and gov't targets.

Did you really write that sentence? Let's see, if the PFLP and Islamic Jihad will agree to "only attack military and gov't targets," then Israel will agree to stop using something called an "indiscriminate killing machine." Can PIJ use any weapon they want against the "gov't targets"? Bomb-belts?

Posted by: Yitzchak Goodman at May 8, 2009 12:06 PM

Let's also treat North Korea no different than South Korea.

You can't reason with a moonbat who keeps pretending that anti-Zionism differs from anti-Semitism and thinks hamas wants a two-state solution even as its charter states the goal of wiping out all Jewish cultural, political and religious existence in the region.

Posted by: Laura at May 8, 2009 12:08 PM
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