May 5, 2009

Hamas: we'll tolerate israel for 10 years. max.

The New York Times visits Khaled Meshal in Damascus and offers him a microphone, Addressing U.S., Hamas Says It Has Grounded Its Rockets to Israel.


"I promise the American administration and the international community that we will be part of the solution, period," the leader, Khaled Meshal, said during a five-hour interview with The New York Times spread over two days in his home office here in the Syrian capital.

Speaking in Arabic in a house heavily guarded by Syrian and Palestinian security agents, Mr. Meshal, 53, gave off an air of serene self-confidence, having been re-elected a fourth time to four-year term as the leader of the Hamas political bureau, the top position in the movement. His conciliation went only so far, however. He repeated that he would not recognize Israel, saying to fellow Arab leaders, "There is only one enemy in the region, and that is Israel."

There's a slight understatement to the observation that "[h]is concilliation went only so far."

But he urged outsiders to ignore the Hamas charter, which calls for the obliteration of Israel through jihad and cites as fact the infamous anti-Semitic forgery, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." Mr. Meshal did not offer to revoke the charter, but said it was 20 years old, adding, "We are shaped by our experiences."

For years we were told to ignore the Palestinian National Charter too. That it was an anachronism. We were told to ignore what Arafat said in Arabic and only pay attention to his carefully guarded statements to the international media. Needless to say, even now the Palestinian National Charter is the guiding document of Fatah. Obviously the Hamas Charter is still operational.

He explained why he was giving the interview, his first to an American news organization in a year, by saying: "To understand Hamas is to listen to its vision directly. Hamas is delighted when people want to hear from its leaders directly, not about the movement through others."

That also seemed aimed at the Obama administration, which has decided to open a dialogue with Iran and Syria, but not with Hamas until it renounces violence, recognizes Israel and accepts previous Palestinian-Israeli accords.

Actually I think that the reporters are overestimating their own importance. Hamas is clearly reaching out to the administration.

Why would Hamas be reaching out to the new administration?

One possibility might be that they're losing support at home (h/t Israel Matzav)

In the next-door tent, bitterness against Hamas is brewing. Many Gazans do not accept the party's official view that the war was a great victory. Instead, many now blame Hamas for recklessly dragging them into a futile war that devastated their already beleaguered territory. "Where is Ismail Haniyeh?" cries a Gazan, referring to Hamas's prime minister. "Why hasn't he come here to see how we live? I lost my home. Why? For Hamas to succeed! It has destroyed Gaza. That's a fact."

Getting recognized by the American government could boost their standing at home.

Or maybe they recognize that the government would be particularly receptive to superficial moderation.

The current thinking in large sectors of today's sophisticated, intellectual, and opinion-maker thought in the United States [and West] is as follows:

. . . The leaders of Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hizballah, Fatah, the Muslim Brotherhoods, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea are basically reasonable, pragmatic people who you can work with.

Or maybe it's some combination of the two.

But here's the part of the interview that could be considered a bad joke:

On the two-state solution sought by the Americans, he said: "We are with a state on the 1967 borders, based on a long-term truce. This includes East Jerusalem, the dismantling of settlements and the right of return of the Palestinian refugees." Asked what "long-term" meant, he said 10 years.

Apart from the time restriction and the refusal to accept Israel's existence, Mr. Meshal's terms approximate the Arab League peace plan and what the Palestinian Authority of President Mahmoud Abbas says it is seeking. Israel rejects a full return to the 1967 borders, as well as a Palestinian right of return to Israel itself.

So the longest Meshal will deign to accept Israel, is for ten years. So the qualification, again, is quite an understatement.

Elder of Ziyon sums things up:

So Meshal wants to see Israel destroyed, he wants all Jews in the Middle East murdered, and he might be willing to offer a ten year pause for Israel to get destroyed demographically. The prestigious NYT, however, characterizes this as being virtually indistinguishable with the most moderate Arabs, and casts Israel as the intransigent party for not wanting to joyfully accept suicide.

When I first read the article I thought much like the Elder, but the qualifications Bronner adds make me wonder. Is Bronner subtly expressing his skepticism? The article was co-reported by Taghreed El-Khodary, who lives in Gaza. Were the reporters constrained from openly expressing their doubts to protect El-Khodary?

I realized that the Times is providing a microphone to Meshal, which is distasteful. However it could be that the reporters are adding their own little distortion. Of course that won't stop the credulous from believing that Hamas has undergone a sea-change and is now willing to live in peace with israel. (h/t memeorandum)

Crossposted on Yourish.

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Comments

The Obama administration one week into office, through an executive order, provided 20.3 million dollars to assist Gaza residents in relocation/humanitarian projects. Not much later, Secretary of State Clinton pledged 900 million dollars to rebuild Gaza. Both actions are inexcusable. Until terrorist organizations are defeated,accept the right of Israel to exist, and stop raining death upon Israel's citizens with rocket attacks, no US funds should go there. Maybe the populace will finally arise, and oust the perpetrators of violence.

Posted by: Lee Bailey at May 5, 2009 9:09 AM

down with israel!

Posted by: newjew at May 5, 2009 9:30 AM

I am an Israelite Muslim, yes you heard that right. I believe in Palestinian rights but also recognize that Israelites have a place in the Holy Land. Read more at my blog http://josephleon9.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Joseph at May 5, 2009 10:23 AM

I think what you are seeing is part of the slow but inevitable process of reconciliation between the Palestinians and Israel, if Israel decides that it prefers peace to endless hostilities. Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Gaza because they felt that the Fatah leaders were corrupt and no longer supported the people, instead being content selling the Palestinians out to Israel and enjoying the blood money while the people live in abject poverty. Hamas pledged armed resistance to the occupation instead of spineless capitulation and the people responded. If Hamas said that they would no longer use violence and now respect Israel's right to exist, the people would quickly switch to support of the [Insert random arabic here] Brigades or Liberation Army. By saying that they are willing to accept peace, even with a limit, according to the moderate Arab plan (which I personally think the Israelis are utterly stupid for not backing immediately), Hamas is opening the door to a unified Palestinian government and ultimately to a just and lasting peace. Hamas is no different than the Israeli extremists who believe that they are entitled to all of the occupied territories. Israelis who refuse to recognize the Palestinians' right to self-governance as a sovereign nation side by side with Israel are excused from demands to be reasonable, but Palestinians who refuse to recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign nation, side by side with Palestine are labeled as anti-semites and "terrorists." (Don't get me started on Israel's horrid abuse of that word to justify their unjust occupation and genocide.) Btw - all jews in Israel are not all jews in the Middle East. Contrary to what Israelis might like to think, there is a whole lot of land that is part of the Middle East and does not belong to Israel. Once again, anti-zionist and anti-semite are not the same. There is no great threat in Europe and America to the continued existence of jews which is not tied directly to the unjust aggression of Israel. The only time that "anti-semitic attacks" happen with any frequency at all is when Israel wages a horribly asymmetrical campaign of genocide against its neighbors or the occupied territories. In fact, those attacks are the result of the continuing efforts of the Israeli interest groups to ensure that people around the world equate Judaism with Zionism, not realizing that Judaism is to Zionism as Islam is to Global Jihad or Christianity is to the KKK. Zionism is an evil extremist movement which was founded by religious zealots who ignored reason and even deeply-entrenched principles of the Jewish doctrine and Jewish scriptures to further their own lunatic cause. The fight against religious extremists who seek to undermine the prospect of world peace by formenting holy war should not be limited to Muslim extremists, but should include both Zionists and radical Evangelical factions who seek to impose their views on others and support Israel in hopes of fulfilling biblical prophecy by starting a huge, catastrophic war in Israel and thus initiating the Rapture because god apparently isn't capable of doing so himself.

Posted by: construcivecritic at May 5, 2009 10:43 AM

It takes a lot of credulity to believe that Hamas has changed. Its not even offering Israel real peace and for a ten year hudna Israel should place its own existence in perpetual jeopardy of extinction whenever Hamas feels like resuming the jihad against the Zionist entity?

Thanks but no thanks!

Posted by: NormanF at May 5, 2009 10:45 AM

No surprise. The ignorance of western reporters, who always, out of naivity. Will travel to any land, no matter how far, and give 3rd world dictators of evil, a printed time slot. To spread their hate & evil communication. Uk!

Hamas is "EVIL" personified, as is also Castro, Ortega, Chevey, North Korea. And ignorant muslim Obama gives them credibility and offerings of communique as well, UK also to Obama.

Get real America. These heathens are evil, and can't be trusted, their enemies of all that is good, and proponents of all that is evil.

Da Rev

Posted by: Rev Ronnie Roy at May 5, 2009 10:48 AM

Palestinians should do away with people like Khaled Meshal. He and his likes are not doing and will never do them any good.
They're the real enemy of palestine.

Posted by: max at May 5, 2009 10:49 AM

I think Khalid Meshal is greatly right and all i have to say to him is May almighty God saves him from any harm! Long life the hero of the Palestinian uprising against the Israeli terrorism.

Posted by: Mostafa at May 5, 2009 11:13 AM

I think Khalid Meshal is greatly right and all i have to say to him is May almighty God saves him from any harm! Long life the hero of the Palestinian uprising against the Israeli terrorism.

Posted by: Mostafa at May 5, 2009 11:15 AM

Yo, you do realize that's totally not what the man said, right? *sigh* This is what is wrong with people in the world.

Posted by: Cory at May 5, 2009 11:18 AM

evil is ignornt white kkk hordes underthe guise of christianity, thse incestuos swine who supported iran contra and cia killings of latin americans. the "jews" from europe wer europeans, they should have a settlemet in germany/austria where they CHOSE to live. There are many jews in persia, iraq etc and in the so call holy land that are not white racist zionist extremist. All killing of any group is sin mr so call REv. A lot of Reverends are incestuous porn loving child molesters, typical dumb white racist trash. Stop the Hate fake Reverend.

Posted by: jen at May 5, 2009 11:32 AM

Very well written and supported words in this blog. I wish the evening news did even half the "whole story" you've began to outline here. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and readings.

Posted by: john at May 5, 2009 11:38 AM

How sad and strange that genuine peace promotes no ones political ambitions yet follows the precepts of the regions major faiths.

Posted by: BLC at May 5, 2009 11:48 AM

I think hamas has been demonized enough. I think Israel should just nuke gaza. The palies are evil and they breed like cockroaches. We should apply the final solution on them

Posted by: Henry Kissinger at May 5, 2009 11:57 AM

Hammas & Meshal it's so called leader have no right to deny Israel its right to life and living in Israel's promised Land(the Land of Canaan).

All Hamas' activities is justification and fulfilment of the TORA verses that predicted such as characteristics of end time. All will come to an end with the Israelite coming out top to serve their God Almighty in glory and shout of Alilluia.

Meshal, Meshal ,Meshal !!! save your soul, get born again through water and Holy spirit of Christ Jesus

Posted by: bobby at May 5, 2009 12:08 PM

Again, is there any way to keep satanic anti-semitic vermin like "constructive critic" off this site? islam is not a religion, but a totalitarian political ideology akin to nazism and leftist demons like "constructive critic" are in alignment with them to destroy western civilization starting with Israel and the Jews.

Posted by: Laura at May 5, 2009 12:08 PM

andrew sullivan is another brain dead leftist.

Posted by: Laura at May 5, 2009 12:14 PM

Thank you for writing somehting close to reality instead of the Jimmy Carter/Obama nonsense. I just hope Isreal can hold out long enough against this like the UK did against the Nazis for the US to come back to reality.

Posted by: Texan at May 5, 2009 12:20 PM

I think hamas has been demonized enough. I think Israel should just nuke gaza. The palies are evil and they breed like cockroaches. We should apply the final solution on them
Posted by: Henry Kissinger at May 5, 2009 11:57 AM

---------
"Henry Kissinger" -

So you're espousing genocide... and call Palestinians evil?! Man, you need to make some Muslim friends - maybe they can help you get your heart and soul back...
It sounds like you've lost something precious...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.html?q=palestinians.html
EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH


Sam Bolivar
StrivingForJustice@yahoo.com

Posted by: Sam Bolivar at May 5, 2009 12:21 PM

Wow, the rhetoric of some posters...


Here are some unfortunate truths, which will probably upset some folks:

Israel is a rogue "nation" (if a land entity without established borders, and without a true constitution can truly be called a nation). It is the most disliked 'nation' of 13 surveyed by the BBC in 2007 (which included Iran). Israel violates - w/impunity, thanks to the fellow rogue state AKA the US of A - numerous UN resolutions
against Israel's illegal actions; it's building an Apartheid wall; and it carries out collective punishment, torture and assassinations (all
violations of international law).

I strongly encourage all Israelis/Jews to make some Muslim/Arab friends - for example, most Palestinians are GOOD people.

Please see: www.WRMEA.com / www.KinderUSA.org / www.IfAmericansKnew.org


Sam Bolivar
StrivingForJustice@yahoo.com


Posted by: Sam Bolivar at May 5, 2009 12:29 PM

To Rev Ronnie Roy -

"These heathens are evil, ..." - Dude, what century do you think you're in? Are you implying that you're a 'Reverend'? Such hate-filled
hyperbole has no place in polite discourse. Have you ever even MET a Palestinian?!

********

To max -
Are you advocating the assassination of a fellow human being? That is a crime, you know - and violates the "Thou shalt not commit murder"
Commandment, right?


Sam Bolivar
StrivingForJustice@yahoo.com

Posted by: Sam Bolivar at May 5, 2009 12:34 PM

Too much vermin infesting this site. Is there a way we can have registration to post here so that it can go back to the way it used to be when we had only human beings.

Since Zionism means Jewish nationalism, I ask why creatures such as sam bolivar and constructive critic would deny the Jewish people and ONLY the Jewish people their right to self-determination and their own homeland? Why is every other form of nationalism considered just and legitimate to them except Jewish nationalism? And tell me how this position doesn't amount to anti-Semitism?

Posted by: Laura at May 5, 2009 12:40 PM

The solution is simple, really...any state that harbors terrorism and terrorists should be bombed--pure and simple. This includes the Palestinian Authority and all their little minions.
If you look back through history, the PA never existed until after ww2. The majority of Palestinians live in Jordan today. Give them a week to leave, then clean that area out for the Jews. Let the Israelis send Special Ops units out to eradicate all the terrorist leaders. That is the only acceptable solution.

Posted by: srttt loiy at May 5, 2009 12:46 PM

FREE FREE ISRAEL. FREE FREE ISRAEL!!!

Their is no peace or 2 state solution. These Hamas members are just thugs. They can't build a nation nor are they interested in that. If these thugs want a state put in in Saudi Arabia. They have plenty of land and many thugs that think the same.

Posted by: Marcus at May 5, 2009 12:54 PM

Why are there so may opinions from so many points of view I would think tha freedom of speech and rights to exist would be, a god given right no matter what mud hole you crawl out of but at the sametime.

There are too many extreme points of view and looking at what has been the cause of the Palestinian and Israeli situations not choosing sides we need to realise that boht sides have been wrong in their approach and have isolated themselves from the entire world.

and we have now a mishmosh of reasons for the entire sutiation as far as Israel being a rouge nation this nation has been attacked in every imaginable way since it was an Idea and when it finally became recognised as one, Also Palestine has been playing the blame game since it decided to place itself on the terrorist world watch list and now it cries about how bad a situation we are in STOP BEING SO PIG HEADED KISS AND MAKE UP ALLREADY no one wins the blame game never this is like 2 urban street gangs fighting over turf common street thugs the only exeception is they have bigger and better weapons oh and world acceptance. pathetic grown people acting like kids share the sand box allready.

Posted by: Zohar almahein at May 5, 2009 12:55 PM

"On the two-state solution sought by the Americans, he said: "We are with a state on the 1967 borders, based on a long-term truce. This includes East Jerusalem, the dismantling of settlements and the right of return of the Palestinian refugees." Asked what "long-term" meant, he said 10 years."

Where was it I remember reading that it said it was okay to make 10-year treaties treaties with Infidels to make time to prepare to destroy them...?

...oh yes...it was in the Q'uran.

Posted by: willi at May 5, 2009 1:09 PM

As Mary Shelley (author of Frankenstein) said. "When the last priest is hung in the entrails of the last king only then will the world know peace" Religion will be the destruction of this world. Sheep blindly following the ass of the sheep in front of the falling off the Proverbial cliff. The rest of the world should declare Jihad on all followers of religion, any religion.

Posted by: Son of Darkness at May 5, 2009 1:18 PM

Does everyone realize that all this fighting and hatred is based on a FICTIONAL BOOK written about 5,000 YEARS AGO...religion is the root of all evil...since NO ONE really knows what happens after life on earth NO ONE knows for 100% certainty which religion is correct and who the "HOLY LAND" belongs to...I was raised a Catholic, forcefed what to believe and how to believe it, I am supposed to believe in a religion who employs child molesting priests and money hungry Popes and Bishops...they have obviously not been GOOD PEOPLE, so why on Earth would I want to follow their teachings....this is just one example, there are many more, of how when a group gains power they use it for their own advancment, no matter who they destroy along the way...ADVICE: Stop living in the past, stop trying to push your beliefs on everyone, let each other live in peace, if everyone would just be GOOD PEOPLE, a lot of this nonsense would cease

Posted by: Chris at May 5, 2009 2:00 PM

I guess that makes Mary Shelley the expert on world peace then. I don't think so.

Some religions are founded on self-sacrifice and love (see Jesus) instead of violence and control (see Islam). I think a world full of people willing to live like Christ would be a pretty peaceful place. It won't ever happen, but it would be nice.

In b4 "but the crusades!!!" or "pedophiles" lol etc.

Posted by: Son of Light at May 5, 2009 2:07 PM

Everybody take a step back now, and read the comments posts. Do you people really mean what you are saying! I am reading a lot of vitriolic name-calling, cries of nuking, jihad, and genocide, on all sides. This is not only impolite, it is just not remotely helpful.

We do need to try to find a way to coexist, but without naive means like singing cumbaya or making land-for-peace deals. Further, comments like "religion will be the destruction of the world" and "declare jihad on all followers of religion" are not enlightened, and are religious views themselves. Anti-religion is still a religion because it still says something about God and worships something (the self).

In fact, that is what I have noticed most in these posts - self worship. We may have different perspectives, but words like these lead to wars - and are you people willing and able to fight them? Take responsibility for your words. Be constructive with your criticism.

You who are fellow Christians - watch your words. We are here not to fight fleshly wars but to glorify Jesus. Are your words doing that? You who are Muslim, Christians are not your enemy, and Islam ("Peace with God") is not best spread through bloodshed and the capture of territory.

Posted by: Steve at May 5, 2009 2:21 PM

Steve, you are a fag

Posted by: Chris at May 5, 2009 2:53 PM

Although I have thoughts about all the posts, I guess the one that struck me as most misguided and obnoxious was the one from Marcus. To call Hamas, or any other group duly elected by its people, "thugs" immediately makes me think of the Zionist leaders of the State of Israel.
Now THAT's thuggery.
Israel has a "right" only to the lands given to it prior to its 1967 war. It does NOT, however, have the "right" to lands it stole as an act of war and agression against Palestine and continues to this day.
Anyway, it's pointless to hash this out. The blind have been given the gift of sight and Americans who've been lulled into believing that Israel is the victim and Arabs are the enemy are beginning to see the charade for what it is.
Time's up!

Posted by: Bonita at May 5, 2009 3:06 PM

ITS AMAZING TO ME THAT CATHOLICISM IS THE PROJECTED WAY OF CHRISTIANITY. THE BIBLE IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND YOU, YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL OF BIBLE PROPHECY IS TAKING PLACE. THE NEXT THING TO HAPPEN IS THE RAPTURE. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CATHOLICS LEFT HERE ON EARTH. UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND ADMIT YOUR SINS AND ASK FOR FIGIVNESS YOU WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. ISREAL IS THE ONE OF THE OLDEST NATIONS ON THE EARTH. IT HAS SURVIVED NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS TO DESTROY IT. YET PERSIA, ROME, USSR HAVE ALL FALLEN. THEY THE RIGHTFUL RESIDENTS OF THE LAND OF CANNAN. BUT ALL NATIONS, EVEN AMERICA, WILL TURN ITS BACK ON ISREAL. ALL NATIONS WILL WAGE WAR ON ISREAL AND THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY WILL PROTECT ISREAL. I FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPEL OF SAY THERE IS NOT A 100% WAY TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER DEATH. I PRAY THAT YOU WILL LET JESUS HELP YOU SEE THAT. HERE IS THE THING, IF I AM WRONG, WHICH I AM NOT, I HAVE LOST NOTHING LIVING A LIFE FOR CHRIST. IF THOSE THAT DONT BELIEVE ARE WRONG, YOU RECEIVE ETERNAL DAMNATION IN A LAKE OF BURNING FIRE. JESUS HAS SO MUCH MORE FOR YOU, ACCEPT IT AND KNOW PEACE.

Posted by: RYAN at May 5, 2009 3:23 PM

To Bonita:
I admire your blind faith but to me it apepars that you know nothing of your own religion. You selectivelyf orget who was responsible for Jesus' death. The Romans didn't want Jesus crucified, his own people asked for it. You need to read your own bible for the facts.

When Israel was bombing women and children in Lebanon in 2006 (please google this if you need more facts) do you think Jesus and God were on their side? God and Jesus would lend a helping hand to kill innocent women and children?

How can you call yourself a Christian and know so little about your faith, your God and his teachings.

I pity your naivete and your unquestioned belief in fairy tales that are nothing but self-serving to a group of people who claim to be God's chosen people yet were solely responsible for murdering his only son.

Posted by: God's Chosen People, yeah right at May 5, 2009 4:21 PM

Wow, what a bunch of imbecile whack jobs. I say there is no difference between a depraved Islamist, Cristian or Jew, they are all whack jobs, and if they believe in all that gibberish about God and Jesus or Allah, I say they should be allowed to meet their maker sooner than later. Nuke that whole area.

Posted by: vinnie at May 5, 2009 5:24 PM

Maybe son of darkness is right, the only thing I have heard people fighting about is whos religion is true we probably would be better of without any religion at all. HOPEFULLY WE (AMERICA) CAN STAY OUT OF IT ,KICK BACK AND LET THAT WHOLE REGION OF THE WORLD BLOW ITSELF UP THEY ARE ALL CRAZY.

Posted by: Jess at May 5, 2009 5:39 PM

Anyone ever notice that when all these so-called freedom fighter groups (like hamas, fatah, hezbollah, etc.) have their get togethers they salute in the exact same fashion as their Nazi mentors? Hmmm... the west is populated by retarded, cowardly ninnies who have lost the will to fight for anything, including their own survival... Robert Frost said it best when he said, "a liberal is a man too broad-minded to take his own side in a quarrel"... I sincerely hope the Jews wipe muslims off the face of the earth...

Posted by: B. Perez at May 5, 2009 6:31 PM

It is when Israel/Palestine actually have peace, for a while, that I worry for. Now the situation is so bad for next generation, any Dictators who can bring peace, through force, regardless of which side, will ultimately be worshiped by their loyal fans, as some kind of living idol.

well it was meant to be. the more blood one taste the more one seeks.

Posted by: abel at May 5, 2009 6:51 PM

It is when Israel/Palestine actually have peace, for a while, that I worry for. Now the situation is so bad for next generation, any Dictators who can bring peace, through force, regardless of which side, will ultimately be worshiped by their loyal fans, as some kind of living idol.

well it was meant to be. the more blood one taste the more one seeks.

Posted by: abel at May 5, 2009 6:51 PM

Meshal is hero of muslism world and my comments r 4 those who wants to wipe out Muslims by terrorist state israel. Usa is their daddy and whole christain world is behind them except the true human they r taking revange of crusade when whole euorope and christain world were defeated by Muslims. They know well what the jews say about Prophet Esa ibne Mariam. they do not beleive on jesus they hate christanity also so u ppl should wake up and 4 israel i must say the it is a terrorist state and most jewish ppls r terrorist and fatah hamas or muslims have right 2 defend and fight u should not expect from us that we will sit idle when u ppls kill our ppls we have right 2 take revange israel should wipe out from the map of world and soon we will do it jews r not the owner of land we r owner i mean muslim.

Posted by: Ali at May 5, 2009 7:30 PM

there will be no peace in the mid-east until America and Israel accept responsibility for their part in this mess. Israel kicked the Palestinians out of their homes for cryin out loud. I'd be lobbing rockets at them too if they did that to me.

Posted by: Chris at May 5, 2009 7:49 PM

Vinny, Jews and Christians aren't waging worldwide jihad. Jews and Christians aren't beheading, aren't stoning, flogging and genitally mutilating women, they are not perpetrating "honor" killings, executing homosexuals etc. etc. No, Jews, Christians and muslims are most certainly NOT the same.

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Posted by: Bud at May 5, 2009 8:01 PM

Fuck these religious nutjobs still run our countries. The conflict goes to the arabs and the arabs only. If their people back then had a brain and a HEART they would let the jews establish their own state before teh Holocust. But no they fought the jews on the streets, supported the Nazis, and supported their governments efforts to bomb Israel into pieces at least THREE times. Please the Arab world like the rest of us must apologize to the Israelis for all the hell they give them. Plus there will NEVER be a "two-state" solution as long as they continue to use 1967 type borders. Israelis and Palestinians need to redraw their borders to equate the size of their terrorities. Otherwise NO DEAL!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Asten Weems at May 5, 2009 8:34 PM

It is amazing how historically ignorant most of you are. Do you even know where the name 'palestinian' came from. It was first applied to the Jews by the Romans in A.D. 135 after they crushed a rebellion by the Jews led by Simon Bar Kochba, and was given to them as a derogatory name based on the Jewish long time enemies, the Philistines.
In WWII, Britain had an all volunteer brigade called "The Palestinian Brigade". It was made up ENTIRELY of Jews. There was a Jewish orchestra called the Palestinian Symphonic Orchestra, and the Plaestinian Post was a Jewis newspaper. As Late as 1950, Arabs refused to be called Palestinians, and declared that if there were such a people, they were JEWS.
The PLO was not founded by palestinians, but has been used by others like Arafat ( himself and Egyptian) to exploit people in Islam's war against Israel. The Jews have lived in this area for millenia.

Posted by: Dan Shenk at May 5, 2009 9:06 PM

you always attract the crazies to your site, eh?

anyway, this is purely for attention and i'm sure meshal knows Israel won't accept such a bullshit "offer."

ps. if meshal is considered a hero of the muslim, then thank goodness i'm not a muslim!

Posted by: annia dobrov at May 5, 2009 9:32 PM

Islamists will never capture Jerusalim, don't You all warry. Ahmedinijad will vacate his throne by this summer, he has annoyed to everyone, including God, you all and each of you shall think about your personal responcibility to the great humanity and think without harming to anyone, no anger and no jealocy shall take place in your heart. palestinians are primitive and get
manipulated by the angry ones, they have no noblity in their general concept.
Obama will bring piece and morals to this rigion,
he is the only chosen one. In the negative case -
it will be complete distruction of the Earth. No catholics and no religion preferred- all religious traditions invented by humans. There is no human's trueth, exists only the corner of visualization. Do not blame anyone,
and do not judge. Humans have to learn to co-exist with their own tribes wthout wars, before they learn to co-exist with other civilizations. No true religion is true, it doesn't exist. Universe has it all. Trust God, he created us all. Bible and Quiran are examples of gravity
between people, same and same as Tora. start respecting it without your human egoism.

Posted by: Mara at May 5, 2009 10:24 PM

Hamas is a hate group much like hitlers nazis, they start brainwshing bigotry and prejudice to pre-schoolers with disney like knock-offs. All governments keep power by preaching us and them but deep down all people are the same and have a moral obligation to respect others (do unto others as you would have them do to you) I am no better then anyone else, there are people of all races who may be smarter, or more moral, or better athletes, or better looking. or as the brothers say " don't be a hater"

Posted by: tax tax fee fee fine fine at May 5, 2009 10:32 PM

The Palestinian illusion is just that an illusion...The media influenced by the same illusionists is projecting and controlling what people should REALLY see!!
Did you know that during the January War HAMAS WERE GRABBING ARAB KIDS TO USE AS SHIELDS!! What a LIE and TRAVESTI this whole thing is...What if afterall there were no 72 virgins in heaven??

Posted by: TV Max at May 5, 2009 11:02 PM

@ Laura:

You are Jewish, I presume?

Your posts, with comments like:

"Too much vermin infesting this site." AND
" Is there a way we can have registration to post here so that it can go back to the way it used to be when we had only human beings." , are hateful name-calling; such statements are unproductive and unnecessary. Please consider the importance of at least listening to, and considering, different points of view. It's for your own good, as it'll help make you more humane.

"... I ask why creatures such as sam bolivar and constructive critic would deny the Jewish people and ONLY the Jewish people their right to self-determination and their own homeland? Why is every other form of nationalism considered just and legitimate to them except Jewish nationalism? And tell me how this position doesn't amount to anti-Semitism?"

---> Frankly, Laura, the 99.5% of the human race that is not Jewish probably couldn't care what you believe. Any person's faith system is their own, right? However, Israel has no right to practice Apartheid, to drive out the Palestinians who were living in the area in 1948 (The Nakba), or to carry out any war crimes - just as no other human beings has any right to carry out similar crimes/atrocities. Jews are NO MORE SPECIAL than any other religion/race/nationality. We are all merely homo sapiens sapiens, so let's try living as the true family we are! (^^)

You are welcome to write to me at:
StrivingForJustice@yahoo.com

Posted by: Sam Bolivar at May 16, 2009 7:29 AM
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