March 22, 2009

Major newspaper seems fated to cast israel in the worst possible light

I suppose that the article Israeli Coalition Appears Fated to Clash With U.S. isn't nearly as bad as the title. Still it's got some problems. For example, early on the reporter, Howard Schneider writes:

A leading contender to become defense minister once characterized the two-state solution that forms the basis of U.S. and international policy toward Israel and the Palestinians as "a story the Western world tells with Western eyes."

At the end he identifies the candidate:

A top contender for defense minister, Moshe Yaalon, has opposed territorial concessions to the Palestinians for security reasons. As military chief of staff under then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, he opposed the Gaza withdrawal and lost his job.

And how exactly did the withdrawal from Gaza work out? Well elsewhere Schneider described it like this:

Israel dismantled settlements and withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, but the move did not bring the expected quiet. Rockets and mortars fall regularly into Israeli towns. The Islamist group Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections and, about a year later, forced the rival Fatah faction out of Gaza.

"Fall regularly?!?!" Does he mean like manna from heaven? For crying out loud, rockets and mortars don't fall passively, they are fired by people with murderous intent. No matter how Schneider tries to softpedal it, the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza did damage Israel's security. It made things less peaceful. And yet he describes Gen. Yaalon's hesitation to withdraw from territory as a liability!

And the biggest problem according to Schneider is the Prime Minster apparent.

Israel's next government seems tailor-made for conflict with an administration in Washington that supports a Palestinian state and is expected to push for progress on drawing its borders. Prime Minister-designate Binyamin Netanyahu is himself a skeptic when it comes to Palestinian statehood and has referred to U.S.-backed peace talks as a waste of time.

Of course with the recent revelations that Fatah the main constituent organization of the Palestinian Authority - as well as purported "moderates" - doesn't accept Israel's right to exist (though this isn't really news) or that Fatah continues to incite against Israel don't make it onto Schneider's radar. Also Fatah seems more inclined to reconcile with Hamas - in a move that will make peace with Israel impossible - than to come to an agreement with Israel. As Barry Rubin writes:

Despite this, the relationship between Hamas and Fatah remain quite complex. It seems bizarre that Hamas set off a civil war, murdered Fatah men in cold blood, and kicked the group out of Gaza yet still most of Fatah is ready to forgive it. There is a strong likelihood that if given the choice, Fatah leaders--though not necessarily Abbas himself--would prefer conciliation with Hamas, which would make any peace with Israel impossible--to making a diplomatic deal with Israel and getting a Palestinian state.
From Israel's standpoint, of course, how can it negotiate any comprehensive solution with the PA when it cannot deliver half of the territory, people, and armed men who are supposed to be bound by such an agreement? Moreover, the possibility that either Hamas will overthrow Fatah at some future point or even that the two will join together in a new war against Israel rather puts a damper on Israeli willingness to make concessions.

Schneider is probably accurately portraying the Obama administration's interest in having an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. And he's identified a likely source of contention between a Netanyahu government and the Americans. But the Israeli reticence towards further concessions or negotiations is well founded. It's a shame that the administration (and Schneider) are dismissive about Netanyahu's concerns.

Shmuel Rosner reports:

Netanyahu might think that his refusal to utter the term "Two State Solution" is ideologically justified and logically sound. He might think that Tzipi Livni's attempt to argue that this was the reason for which she's refused to join his coalition is lame. No matter what he thinks, Washington - official Washington - doesn't like this revisionist position. One official told me it was just "childish". When Netanyahu comes for a visit, he might be asked to make a choice. The price for press availability with President Obama will be a commitment to say the words "two", "state" and "solution" in the same sentence.

Crossposted on Yourish.

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Comments

Netanyahu should not compromise his principles and endanger his country in order to gain press availability with that egomaniac, president Obama.

Posted by: Laura at March 22, 2009 1:04 PM

Barack Obama and his liberal socialists will soon be the demise of America. They are destroying everything that is good in America. Barack Obama lied to the American people during his campaign. His change has put the American people in a trillion dollars worth of debt. I don't think most people can even fathom that amount of money...but they will when it is coming out of their pockets. Barack Obama is totally inexperienced to deal with foreign countries. He didn't even know that America has 50 states. He said he traveled 57 states here. God saves us!

Posted by: Chris at March 22, 2009 2:17 PM

Lets not forget that Bush and Cheney double the deficit by at least 5 trillion$ and nobody absolutely nobodody complained about that.
starting 2 wars and giving tax-breaks and then saying somebody will pay for these huge amounts. That was the Republican policy for over 8 years.
The market will control itself. The CEO's CFO's they know best whats good for america and tghe world. Lets not control or check on them.
Free market is good for everyone specially the already rich and the corrupt.
We can see that also in the CEO of the peanut company. No Oversight and he only did what was good for him and his wallet.

Posted by: Michael at March 22, 2009 2:30 PM

What the hell does Israel expect after murdering more than a thousand civilians. The time has come for Isralies to accept the fact that their state is built on racism - a state for the Jews by race and for no one else. Americans cannot be duped forever. We did not favor the South African apartheid and we will not favor the Jewish apartheid.

Posted by: John McCormack at March 22, 2009 2:33 PM

John McCormack:
What the hell do Palestinians expect after murdering more than a thousand civilians? The time has come for Palestinians to accept the fact that their state is being built on racism - a state for the Palestinians by race and for no one else. Americans cannot be duped forever. We did not favor the South African apartheid and we will not favor the Palestinian apartheid.

Posted by: Jerry at March 22, 2009 3:00 PM

Israels soldiers have admitted to committing war crimes, targeting and killing women and kids holding white flags and attacking ambulances they knew were carrying civilian casualties. And you seem content to ignore these crimes just because they happen to Palestinians and not Jews, this just shows your level of ignorance, bigotry and stupidity Soccer dad. I hope your son dosen't become the misguided racist jackass you currently are.

Posted by: swizzle at March 22, 2009 3:06 PM

Why is it when palestinians kill someone in Israel it's terrorism, but when Israel kill hundreds of inocent civilians in Palestian we see it as justified? Israel is also a terrorist nation and should be put on the same list as Iran. The holocaust does not justify Israels actions in no way. They are doing the same thing to the palestinians that the germans did to them.

Posted by: Tracey at March 22, 2009 3:13 PM

Soccer daddy your outrage over the media finally reporting the truth about what has been happening for over twenty five years in Israel vis a viv their racial policies is utter claptrap. I personally stopped going to Israel because of the injustices I saw ... almost 15 years ago ... in many ways it was almost as bad as South Africa. I am only surprised that the media is even now beginning to cover this story.

Chris describing Obama as a socialist is as ignorant and stupid as most the hot air coming out of far right wing bolivators like Rush "damn these anal cysts hurt" Limbaugh. It really is unfortunate the right wing in america cant offer solutions instead of negative name calling as the wring their hands in panic and fear ... the thought of america suddenly doing better is too much for them to comprehend.

Posted by: bamabarrron at March 22, 2009 3:24 PM

"The time has come for Palestinians to accept the fact that their state is being built on racism - a state for the Palestinians by race and for no one else."

Lebanon refuses to allow palestinians citizenship, ownership of real estate, the right to vote, etc, even though thousands of palestinians were born in Lebanon and lived their whole lives there. Lebanon and other Arab countries are the real apartheid states. Arabs live with full rights in Israel.

Posted by: RWG at March 22, 2009 3:26 PM

Madoff is the perfect example of the Jewish race

Posted by: Seymore Butts at March 22, 2009 3:31 PM

John McCormack should go back and read the real history of Palestine not the revisionist history of the last 20 years. Start with the Isreal Brigade keeping the eastern front of the Middle East safe from the Nazis so that the British could win at El Alemein. How the Arabs in the Middle East supported the Nazis. How the state of Isreal was given to the Jews by the United Nations; they didn't occupy it, many were already living there. How the Jews offered the Arabs to be part of the government and citizens of Isreal with equal rights for all. How Nazi and Communist terrorists stopped the moderate Arabs from joining Isreal.

I lived those days and can tell you that a lot of what you read in todays history books or what you see on TV is pure revisionist.

Posted by: Richard at March 22, 2009 3:34 PM

RWG:
You quoted me, and I agree with what you wrote. The Arab countries, which have kicked out their Jews, Christians, Bahais, and others are the apartheid states. The Palestinians who run Gaza and the West Bank practice apartheid- the Jews and Christians who lived there have been killed or expelled by the Muslims. In Israel, Arabs and Jews, Muslims Christians, atheists, Jews, Bahais, Druze, and others, all have equal rights. There are many Arabs in the government. Arabs can walk freely anywhere in Israel; Jews can walk almost freely nowhere in Arab countries, nor in Palestinian-held areas.

Posted by: Jerry at March 22, 2009 3:38 PM

Is soccer dad Israeli or American? His postings read like an Israeli apologist. The US. has outsourced it's foreign policy to Israel at theirs and ours detriment. Peace and justice is the only sollution, not these apologists who does everyone harm.

Posted by: Ryan Awni at March 22, 2009 3:40 PM

First of all let s not make the mistakes that disagreeing with the policies of the Israeli goverment is synonimous of being anti Jewes.
I think Jewes people are very special people, neertheless, due to unfavorable circumstances the various Israeli goverment have been unable to achieve peace for their people. Even much worst is the condition of the Palestinian, they have nothing to loose and so ready to fight to death.

Posted by: Piero at March 22, 2009 3:46 PM

Soccer Dad seems an illiterate when it comes to the middle east. Israel has never done anything since its existence to support peace, no matter what their leaders are contending. They say they try and not kill civilians every time they go to war, and instead kill more than 600 in less than a month each time. Israel has blockaded Gaza, restricting the flow of medicine, food, water, and other necessities of life. It keeps building homes and settlement in the West Bank and destroys the Palestinian ones, which they claim were built "illegaly."

Posted by: common sense at March 22, 2009 3:49 PM

Imagine this:

Great Britain decides that what Europeans did to Native Americans a hundred or so years ago was an atrocity (which it was) and don't like them living on reservations. Oh, and let's say they also promised that the people currently in the US that they are safe where they are, in return for helping them defeat Germany in a war. Of course, they are denying Native Americans as citizens to their country (while they pretend to care, they don't extend their land to them)- but put forth a declaration that most of the United States should go to Native Americans. They break the promise to those of us that already live here and basically ignore our existence. The current occupants of the land are displaced, their homes are destroyed, but they are told they can have Idaho. This is ultimately what the British did with the Balfour declaration (except that the Jewish Dispora was hundreds and hundreds of years prior.)

It is easy to see how both sides have been harmed by these policies if you are educated on the history of the region. The British and US should have never involved ourselves in this conflict and there has been so much tragedy on both sides that it's impossible to put Israel on a pedestal. Many Americans seem to want to- but that isn't based on history or facts, it's based on guilt over the holocaust, Christianity, and often racism against Arabs and/or Muslims.

Posted by: Nicole at March 22, 2009 4:18 PM

im all for arming the Palestinians and giving them the 30 billion in aid promised to Israel and putting the jews in open air prisons like the Palestinians...then dropping phosphorus and any other kind of nuke on them lets then see if any charges of war crimes ring out..i bet if we reversed the situation the usa would have been in would war 111...no one would have stood by..but since its the Palestinians suffering this horror well we cant seem to see it for what it really is genocide...no other words for it...

Posted by: gail stangeland at March 22, 2009 4:21 PM

People don't just wake up one day and decide to fight till death knowing that their enemy is way stronger than them.There's a reason why Palestinians have been fighting and suffering for the past 60 years.Jews came as immigrants to Palestine and then demanded half of the land,when the local people(now the Palestinians) refused,the Jewish immigrants kicked most of them out and committed a genocide that today is being denied.Now all the Palestinians are asking for is 15% of the land that was stolen from them and Israel instead gave them only 2%(the Gaza strip)and you make it look like Israel was too generous.My grand parents were there in the 1948 war,they told some pretty terrible and priceless stories that can't be found in today's history books.The Jews committed genocide in 1948,they won the war because their soldiers were better armed,experienced and because they outnumbered all 5 Arab armies(believe it or not it's true),and not because God loved them.David Ben Gurion(The father of Israel) himself said if he were Arab,he would never accept Israel.Even Einstein criticized Israel when he met the famous interviewer Haikal.

Posted by: sam at March 22, 2009 4:24 PM

and to soccer dad lets hope your not reproducing men...like yourself an idiot and having the nerve to tell us all how ignorant you really are...go read anything on the middle east and then come back and write something factual...

Posted by: gail stangeland at March 22, 2009 4:28 PM

People don't just wake up one day and decide to fight till death knowing that their enemy is way stronger than them.There's a reason why Palestinians have been fighting and suffering for the past 60 years.Jews came as immigrants to Palestine and then demanded half of the land,when the local people(now the Palestinians) refused,the Jewish immigrants kicked most of them out and committed a genocide that today is being denied.Now all the Palestinians are asking for is 15% of the land that was stolen from them and Israel instead gave them only 2%(the Gaza strip)and you make it look like Israel was too generous.My grand parents were there in the 1948 war,they told some pretty terrible and priceless stories that can't be found in today's history books.The Jews committed genocide in 1948,they won the war because their soldiers were better armed,experienced and because they outnumbered all 5 Arab armies(believe it or not it's true),and not because God loved them.David Ben Gurion(The father of Israel) himself said if he were Arab,he would never accept Israel.Even Einstein criticized Israel when he met the famous interviewer Haikal.BTW,I'm a Christian from originally from the West Bank and I support Hamas more than I support the corrupt Fateh.

Posted by: michel at March 22, 2009 4:28 PM

The Arab countries, which have kicked out their Jews, Christians, Bahais, and others are the apartheid states. The Palestinians who run Gaza and the West Bank practice apartheid- the Jews and Christians who lived there have been killed or expelled by the Muslims. In Israel, Arabs and Jews, Muslims Christians, atheists, Jews, Bahais, Druze, and others, all have equal rights. There are many Arabs in the government. Arabs can walk freely anywhere in Israel; Jews can walk almost freely nowhere in Arab countries, nor in Palestinian-held areas.

Posted by: Marc at March 22, 2009 4:31 PM

During the Apartheid era Israel enjoyed normal relations with the genocidal Government of South Africa and was the major source of arms to the murderers in Pretoria.

I have no sympathy for Israel in most matters to this day because of it.

Posted by: Derek Washington at March 22, 2009 4:33 PM

israel is a,racist, terrorist state, a killer of the innocent and a danger to world wide peace, it is time the united states of america rein in this rabid dog of the middle east.

Posted by: gail gray at March 22, 2009 5:04 PM

I wish I knew for sure if it was the Palestinians who was firing rockets into Israel and not Israel them self. I hope it?s not a 911 thing. If its not, then I would support Israel like the United States have done for years. They have always been there for the United States when we needed one of our spy ships sunk, or a few of our military guys knocked off. I hope they kick Iran?s butt to, because the Shaw of Iran was run out of power by Iran and he died heart broken because he couldn?t go back to the land he loved.

Posted by: George at March 22, 2009 5:06 PM

There has never been a just [war], never an honorable one--on the part of the instigator of the war. I can see a million years ahead, and this rule will never change in so many as half a dozen instances. The loud little handful--as usual--will shout for the war. The pulpit will--warily and cautiously--object--at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, 'It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it.' Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers--as earlier--but do not dare say so. And now the whole nation--pulpit and all--will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.

Posted by: Mark Twain at March 22, 2009 5:07 PM

Disagreement with the government of a sovreign state is part of living in a democratic nation. I strongly disagree with the policies of the present Israeli government. However, spewing hatred at a major world religion or calling Israelis "racist mad dogs" or similar idiotic epithets is too similar to the behavior of mindless fanatics of all flavors to suit me.

Posted by: dick brandlon at March 22, 2009 5:14 PM

I'm so happy to see that more people are getting to new the real ugly face of Israel comparing to few years ago when the supporters of Israel use to be way outnumbered those who support Palestine, of course Arab countries doesn't want to grant citizenship to more Palestinian because that what Israel wants, they want less and less Palestinian asking for their rights of return to their land that 100% is rightfully belongs to Palestinian, Can you imagine some gangsters holding a book in one hand and a riffle in the other hand coming to your own house and kicking you out telling you, your wife and your kids that this book say that I own this house therefore you must leave it or I'll kill your family before your own eyes, what are you going to do, of course you and your family will do everything to defend your house, this exactly the summery of what happened, now when Palestinian defends their lands, they're called terrorists, and when Israel's Gangsters kill thousands of civilians right before the world eyes on TV, they call it Israel's right to defend itself, Israel is nothing but punch of terrorists & Rapists, and gangsters that succeeded to use the unconditional American blind support and media for their own ugly agenda, For 60 years Israel has been milking the American governments and causing America to loose it's good old image, I worn every American, What the Jewish did to the Soviet Union, they're starting to do in America, starting by this economic crisis, we all know who owns everything here (Gold, Money, Business, Media) they'll break this country down to individual states because they believe that they're God's favorite people therefore they should roll the world, and for this to happened America most break down into pieces, by the way there's a book that supports everything I just said, I think it calls: The Protocols of The Zion Leaders.

Posted by: Moustafa at March 22, 2009 5:34 PM

Israel was artificially, wrongfully, and forcefully created by a guilt-ridden Allied group who failed to see the monstrosity that was Hitler's Germany. Israel had never occupied the Gaza nor the Golan Heights and as for there being a "state of Israel" 2000 years ago, that is no reason for it to exist today--as the American Indians controlled the area now known as the USA and no one is willing to give that land back to the original people. It must be remembered, both in the Torah (the first five books) and the Old Testament detailed how the Hebrews (an ancient people from India known as the Habiru) stole the land from the Canaanites (Joshua being among the worse butchers in history who allegedly stole into the city of Jericho with the whore Rehab at his side) as would Lot betray the hospitality of the Cities of the Plain then offer his daughters to be raped by the men of Sodom.

What Israel as a state has done in Gaza is nothing less than a holocaust against the people of Gaza and the Israeli soldiers (Jews, Christians, some Moslems, and others) along with the entire Jewish leadership should be tried by the World Court for crimes against humanity (there are numerous independent articles on the internet how the Chief Rabbis encouraged the soldiers to kill all women, children and noncombatants for he is an equal to Adolf) and each of the soldiers who were "just following orders" (as the Nazi soldiers claimed) should be given the ultimate penalty which, sadly, does not include the death penalty. That penalty should be revised for the Chief Rabbi, Netanyahu, and Peres who have created the Fourth Reich in Israel.

Posted by: Dr Arthur Frederick Ide at March 22, 2009 5:38 PM

Israel is a racist and an apartheid state.
Shortly after the Gaza massacres Olmert said that he will defend the Israeli soldiers from war crime prosecution.

We need to stop supporting this fascist state with our tax dollars.

Posted by: ALX at March 22, 2009 5:40 PM

gail gray -- You should study history, the Shah (not shaw) of Iran was a stooge of the USA and had little time for Iran or its customs. Rather than adapting and slowly attempting to move his people toward modernism (if that is a good thing) he ran over their ideas and falsified documents, created his version of the CIA (the USA has created more illegal prisons from Poland to Peru, including Ahu Gharib prison in Iraq that outdid the torture chambers under Saddam Hussein, with Dick Cheney following Professor Yoo of the University of California's advise that waterboarding is not torture although it stimulates drowning, applying electric shocks to genitalia, etc) and spied on his own people. The Shah remained in power only long enough to ensure that Reagan would be president and Ford made to appear as a weak person.

To support Israel today is a joke, for it was a nation created out of the theft of Palestinian lands, and the capital (Tel Aviv--not Jerusalem) set up as a balwark against those who would not have Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, and other Jewish people enter their semitic world (A semetic person is any Middle Eastern--it is not just a Jew) and continue the theft of Palestinian lands and homes. Israel should be absorbed into a united Palestinian state--not the other way around--for Israel has caused more suffering in the Middle East than has any other state save for the mythological state of Israel in the Old Testament when the ancient Hebrews killed entire nations of people under the orders of their wrathful god--an ancient agricultural god from India where the Hebrew (Habiru) came from originally before claiming that Gan Eden (a garden in Babylon) was their homeland--when in truth they were but gardeners for the Babylonian rulers.

Posted by: Dr Arthur Frederick Ide at March 22, 2009 5:48 PM

george you are telling us there will never be a just war on the part of the instigators of the war. After germany attacked poland a uk ally the uk declared war on germany a country that had not yet directly attacked the uk therefore instigating your words a war. So my question is if you cannot even look back even 100 years of world conflicts what gives you the right to look forward a million years. By the way the people on the pulpit that you mention were in the pay of the enemy namely germany or were just antiwar fanatics I call them lunatics because in the words of that most ancient of generals sun tzu when a nation is at peace a gentleman keeps his sword (sharp/ready) by his side. If you think defeating the nazis was unworthwhile I pity you.

Posted by: jonny bond at March 22, 2009 5:59 PM

First off? Israel has EVERY RIGHT to be right where she is-Back in her own land that God the Creator gave to the people He chose \as a nation of priests unto Himself. His land and His right to choose. That ain't even gonna fly! Never did the Palestinians own this land. NEVER. There are many prophetical events fulfilling end over end just as God prophesied through His prophets like Ezekiel over 2600 years ago! It is hard not to miss the fact that events are developing in concert with the ancient prophecies of Scripture.

The Prophet Isaiah foretold the "burden of Damascus" (Isaiah 17:1) in which the prophet predicts the overnight destruction of that great city in the last days: "At evening time, behold there is terror! Before morning they are no more. Such will be the portion of those who plunder us, and the lot of those who pillage us." (Isaiah 17:14)
The Prophet Ezekiel predicts an alliance between Russia and an Islamic confederacy headed by Iran, or Persia.
Hamas continues to attack Israel with rocket attacks for the sheer joy of the violence of it all. Related to this, the Prophet Obadiah pronounced this verdict against Edom, who is one of the forefathers of the people of Hamas, saying, "Because of violence to your brother Jacob, you will be covered with shame, and you will be cut off forever." Interestingly, the word translated as "violence" in this Scripture is the Hebrew word, chamac, pronounced---> "hamas." !!

Of all the generations in history, it is to this generation that the prophecies of the last days are addressed. Previous generations looked for the signs given by Scripture, but only this generation can truly see them all come together at one time which is itself a key fulfillment of prophecy.
The Prophet Daniel predicted these conditions: "And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, 'Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.'" (Daniel 12:8-9) We are witnessing the "unsealing" of the end-times prophecies.

The same Spirit that inspired the incredible accuracy of the prophets to this point is not likely to suddenly have a misstep. So what does that mean? The Lord of the Universe is getting ready to judge the world. But before that, He will come for His own. Make sure you are one of them.

Posted by: Susan at March 22, 2009 6:07 PM

"Major newspaper seems fated to cast israel in the worst possible light"

The title is misleading. It is not the newspaper doing it. Israels apartheid policies and the crimes committed by the IDF are putting Israel in the worst possible light.

Posted by: ALX at March 22, 2009 6:08 PM

In 1912, the New York Times reported on the Middle East, and mentioned the 35 Jewish villages on what is today the West Bank. The Arabs committed ethnic cleansing and wiped out these Jewish villages (including Hebron and eastern Jerusalem), which had been around for over 3000 years.
Making up facts and calling Gaza a "Holocaust" shows ignorance. The Germans (and other Europeans and their Arab allies) murdered 6 million Jews and millions of others in 13 years. Not even 6,000 Palestinians have been killed in 60 years by Israel.
Except for Palestinians, anybody who is posting here to complain about Israel, is the true racist. It's amazing how they spend so much time attacking Israel (without a vested interest), while they ignore 3 million innocents murdered in the Congo, 400,000 in Darfur, 2.2 million in North Korea, thousands in Nigeria, hundreds of thousands in Tibet, etc. Black slavery stills exists in Saudi Arabia and 4 other Arab countries.
The only reason people spend all of their time complaining about 1,300 dead Palestinians, instead of the hundreds of thousands or millions of dead Africans or Asians is because Palestinians are white.

Posted by: Jerry at March 22, 2009 6:11 PM

I laugh at all you stupid people that think a group of people can kill jews and get away with it well we also will fight to the death. And if you do not understand why the usa helps out the jews is we have all the money and lots of power own the banks and also we are the smartest people on earth we invented the atomic bomb, solar power and many other things the Muslims have not created anything but death. Israel now has solar energy, the best diamond cutting in the world and the desert has been transformed to beauty the other countries in the area are still just desert

Posted by: robert at March 22, 2009 6:30 PM

Oh, so Howard Schneider, you really expected Israel's stateless indigenous population to be pacified by just leaving them alone inside their reservation behind barbed wires guarded by your soldiers?

The Israeli argument that "we withdrew from Gaza, and all we got was rockets" reminds me a bit of Frietzl, the Austrian monster, who felt he should be thanked, and not turned into the police, for letting his daughter/granddaughter out of the dungeon for a little while. "We stop torturing and ease their shackles a bit, and this is what we get from those ungrateful bastards!"

DEAR ISRAELI BROTHERS: Give your indigenous population equal citizens' rights or face rockets and worse, not least, your own continued brutalisation and transformation into racist supremacists.

Posted by: S. Cohen at March 22, 2009 7:02 PM

Look, Israel has every right to exist. There is some real criticism of Israel, but the people like ALX, and some others who Hijacked Soccer Dad's web are spewing hate against Jews, and against Israel. Israel and the Jews have the right to punish terrorists who put car-bombaas and park next to day-care centers. You failures are claiming that the Holocaust never existed. It blemishes America's face that 4,000 Jews, Bahai's, and other Israeli's died in the 2nd infatada, and you claim that you "can't play that card", while a few thousand Terrorists are punished for their crimes. Jews were killed in Haifa, and in Arab Nations as soon as, and BEFORE Israel gained independance. I think you hating pieces of shit should flush your green liquids down the drain. And even though a few hundred palestinean civillians die, Israel is trying to target the terrorists, and that's enough fact.

Posted by: Vaszily Magyarorszag at March 22, 2009 7:06 PM

ALX, I will kill you.

Posted by: Hurszag at March 22, 2009 7:10 PM

ALX, I will kill you.

Posted by: Happy Lemons at March 22, 2009 7:10 PM

Every few days sass gets his degerate friends to come here and bombard this site with anti-Semitic rantings. It is certainly not a coincidence that these people always invade here en masse at about the same time.

Posted by: Laura at March 22, 2009 7:20 PM

Take out the trash and throw these creatures off of Soccerdad. Perhaps there should be registration required to post here.

Posted by: Laura at March 22, 2009 7:23 PM

You can all blame the Israelis if you want, but the fact is that if the Palistinians want to be treated as a modern, intelligent people, you have to stop instigating and commiting terrorist acts. No one will ever trust you if you declare a ceasefire, and continue to shoot rockets. At some point, on both sides, you have to give up these old animosities, and start trying to build to a better future. The world has laid out a map to peace, the palastinians have rejected it. That is on the Palastinians heads, not israels. It would also be a lot easier for the Palastinians to complain about the blockage if they were not mainly smuggling weapons. How can you expect Israel to give in to the Palastinians demand when there charter calls for the distruction of all Jews and Israel. No one in the world will give the Palastinians a state as long as it is built on the abject destruction of a race strictly because of its religiuos beliefs.

Posted by: joshua at March 22, 2009 7:31 PM

You can all blame the Israelis if you want, but the fact is that if the Palistinians want to be treated as a modern, intelligent people, you have to stop instigating and commiting terrorist acts. No one will ever trust you if you declare a ceasefire, and continue to shoot rockets. At some point, on both sides, you have to give up these old animosities, and start trying to build to a better future. The world has laid out a map to peace, the palastinians have rejected it. That is on the Palastinians heads, not israels. It would also be a lot easier for the Palastinians to complain about the blockage if they were not mainly smuggling weapons. How can you expect Israel to give in to the Palastinians demand when there charter calls for the distruction of all Jews and Israel. No one in the world will give the Palastinians a state as long as it is built on the abject destruction of a race strictly because of its religiuos beliefs.

Posted by: joshua at March 22, 2009 7:31 PM

Some people are spewing hate, but the majority is true. Oh, and we do complain about Tibetans, Darfur, and other genocide. I, for one, have a simple solution. 9-11 and a majority of America's problems come from one of two sources - ignorant attempts at regime change which backfire or create horrid dictators and supporting Israel. I say we end both of these. Let's apologize to Iran and offer them a U.S. made nuclear reactor and defense under America's nuclear deterrent in exchange for IAEA cooperation and, no hostility, tell Israel it's time for us to part ways: we will no longer sell you anything but the most obsolete weapons and if anyone attacks you, you're on your own, but leave Iran alone because we will defend any nuclear attacks against them in accordance with our new agreements.

Posted by: Sense at March 22, 2009 7:53 PM

It's my personal theory that most ME saber-rattling by Arab states is simply fear of Israeli aggression. I would love to make an offer of the most advanced missile defense technology and American support in the event of Israeli aggression to Syria, Lebanon, and Iran in exchange for cooperation with the U.N. and see if all three take it or only two.

Posted by: Sense at March 22, 2009 8:01 PM

Sam read your history.by the way you should love the way females are treated in muslim countries,you seem the type.

Posted by: Tim at March 22, 2009 8:02 PM

Enough is enough. A two state solution is fair for the two people. It's a choice between war and peace, let's choose peace. Peace education must be promoted. enough for hatred and suspicion.

Posted by: Iyad at March 22, 2009 8:07 PM

I have no problem with the US and nato backing both states and giving them tech, but what is your solution and the cocequences of palistinian agression against israel? You all seem to want to put weapons in the hands of the people who want to use them.

Posted by: josh at March 22, 2009 8:23 PM

Sense, you have everything but. So give weapons and defend muslim extremeists (you know the ones who are calling for the death of all non arabs) and if Israel defends itself against them, attack them? So you are just another anti-semite who wants to kill all the jews.

Posted by: josh at March 22, 2009 8:29 PM

I think the majority of American christians are beginning to realise the grave danger posed to our country by the jews. The sight of these greedy jewish bankers brazenly stealing billions of dollars while christian families lose their jobs has revolted and sickened many.

Is it not time to kick out the evil that is the Old Testament from the christian bible, which is meant to celebrate Christ, not his crucifiers?

Posted by: John Smith at March 22, 2009 8:52 PM

Is it not time to kick out the evil that is the Old Testament from the christian bible

Down with Isaiah!

Posted by: Yitzchak Goodman at March 22, 2009 9:35 PM

Every few days sass gets his degerate friends to come here and bombard this site with anti-Semitic rantings. It is certainly not a coincidence that these people always invade here en masse at about the same time.

It happens after a Yahoo "most blogged" link. When this happens, SD is getting large numbers of normal readers also, most of whom don't comment.

Posted by: Yitzchak Goodman at March 22, 2009 9:39 PM

the Hebrews (an ancient people from India known as the Habiru)


What's your doctorate in if you don't mind my asking? Habiruan history?

Posted by: Yitzchak Goodman at March 22, 2009 9:41 PM

To Sense:
I have some questions for you about your 7:53 PM post:
1) You say that you "complain about Tibetans, Darfur, and other genocide." Can you provide some links with your posts about these issues, dated before today?
2) You complain about "ignorant attempts at regime change." Isn't that what you are advocating for Israel?
3) If supporting Israel is what alienated the Arabs, then why did the Arabs join Hitler during World War II (when Israel didn't exist)? The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem went to Berlin and met with Hitler to discuss opening up a new front to fight against the Allies and building concentration camps to kill the hundreds of thousands of Jews in Palestine.
4) Iran's leaders have publicly proclaimed that most or all of the Jews in Israel should be killed. You favor giving the Iranians nuclear technology and having America defend it. Even the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Egyptians have spoken up against Iran's having nuclear technology. You also feel "America's nuclear deterrent" should be used to "defend any nuclear attacks against" Iran. How is that not genocide (which you said that you complain about)? How are you able to pretend that you are not an anti-Jewish bigot?

Posted by: Jerry at March 22, 2009 10:00 PM

@ The ALX,I will kill??(doh!)--buys?--Posted by: Hurszag: Happy Lemons+S.Cohen+NO-SENSE+_From these preceding words You all are probably latent terrorist--or worse. @No-SENSE? I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE AN OFFER TO ISRAEL OF THE MOST UP TO DATE ADVANCED NUCLEAR LONG RANGE MISSILES TO WIPE IRAN-SYRIA-RUSSIA-TURKEY-CHINA-NORTH KOREA AND EVERY OTHER ENEMY THE BIBLE SAYS WILL COME AGAINST THEM IN EZEKIEL 38-39!! YOU ANTI- SEMITIC NAZI LOVER!!+@Josh? Not me-- I am a lover and defender of Israel.-++ Wow what a "brilliant" fake name! @John Smith--No-- There are Many stupid Americans that believe the Arab/ Palestinian LIES? Once they meet a True Jihadists? That will surely change! I'm sure you have many of them as your "bosom" buds You are really an ignorant person to believe ages old PROPAGANDA about the Jews=MORON IS YOU!@http://wwwGogetarealclue4goshsakesalready.com!.++And lastly++@John (yeah right!) Smith again?-- hey "Johnny boy? GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT FOR ONE THING WHY DON"T YOU? Jesus came to earth for that purpose. The very reason He gave it and took it back again. NO ONE TOOK HIS LIFE--HE GAVE IT FREELY--> OFFERED IT UP A SACRIFICE---THE LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH---For ALL mens sins--Then 3 Days later resurrected physically and was seen by over 500 reputable witnesses. No one stole His body-- There was a Roman legion posted outside Jesus Tomb. A Legion is SIXTEEN Soldiers. Romans weren't wimps. And they wouldn't allow His deciples to come a get His body--they were at risk of death by Pilate. The same death with which they killed others=Crucifixion. It is ALL TRUE! Jesus Christ IS The Messiah! YES; Jesus of Nazareth, born in Bethlehem of the virgin Mary, wife of Joseph, lineage of King David, tribe of Judah IS the Son of The Living God--NO ONE COULD HAVE TAKEN ANYTHING FROM HIM!!He gave it up for you-for me-for all of us! Then He took it up again for us too! It was the Romans too who nailed Him to the tree / cross. Who flogged Him unrecognizable as human in the fleshly guise of "humanity" He wore while He was on earth--- The Jews are NOT Evil-- The one s who ARE are those who believe the lies of the one who appeared as it is said" an "angel" to the ideology of Islam---Lucifer / satan appears as an "angel of light" to those who know no better. This is clearly seen in all that they do. ==Irrational hate of the Jews-slaughter galore- perdipjhilia-Hate-Hate hate!! LIES-++@Yitchak? You can't "down with Isaiah-Ha! Ha!--Jehovah God Who Is ONE-- Spoke through Him as he did Ezekiel, Joel, daniel and others. You can NOT erase the Word of the Living GOD. Just as you and your kind will NEVER utterly destroy His chosen people.For He will destroy ALL who go against Israel. ALL. For He Alone is GOD. Alpha and Omega. Beginning and End.

Ezekiel 38: !-23-- (Amplified Bible)--Prophecy Against Gog

1-AND THE word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2-Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of [a]Magog, the prince of Rosh-( Russia)-, of Meshech, and of Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3-And say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince (ruler) of Rosh, of Meshech, and of Tubal.-(Turkey)
4-And I will turn you back and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you forth and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords--
5-Persia-(Iran)-, Cush, and Put or Libya with them, all of them with shield and helmet, 6Gomer and all his hordes, the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north and all his hordes--many people are with you.
7-You [Gog] be prepared; yes, prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and you be a guard and a commander for them.
8-After many days you shall be visited and mustered [for service]; in the latter years you shall go against the land that is restored from the ravages of the sword, where people are gathered out of many nations upon the mountains of Israel, which had been a continual waste; but its [people] are brought forth out of the nations and they shall dwell securely, all of them.(A) 9You shall ascend and come like a storm; you shall be like a cloud to cover the land, you and all your hosts and many people with you.
10-Thus says the Lord God: At the same time thoughts shall come into your mind, and you will devise an evil plan.
11-And you will say, I will go up against an open country [the land of unwalled villages]; I will fall upon those who are at rest, who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls and having neither bars nor gates,
12-To take spoil and prey, to turn your hand upon the desolate places now inhabited and assail the people gathered out of the nations, who have obtained livestock and goods, who dwell at the center of the earth [Palestine].
13-Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish, with all their lionlike cubs [or satellite areas], shall say to you, Have you come to take spoil? Have you gathered your hosts to take the prey? To carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take a great spoil 14-Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, Thus says the Lord God: In that day when My people Israel dwell securely, will you not know it and be aroused?
15-And you will come from your place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great host, a mighty army.
16-And you shall come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. In the latter days I will bring you against My land, that the nations may know, understand, and realize Me when My holiness shall be vindicated through you [vindicated and honored in your overwhelming destruction], O Gog, before their eyes.
17-Thus says the Lord God: Are you he of whom I have spoken in olden times by My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for years that I would bring you [Gog] against them?
18-But in that day when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, says the Lord God, My wrath shall come up into My nostrils.
19-For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath have I said, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking or cosmic catastrophe in the land of Israel,
20-So that the fishes of the sea and the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall tremble and shake at My presence; and the mountains shall be thrown down and the steep places shall fall and every wall [natural or artificial] shall fall to the ground.
21-And I will call for a sword against [Gog] throughout all My mountains, says the Lord God, every man's sword shall be against his brother [over the dividing of booty].
22-And with pestilence and with bloodshed will I enter into judgment with [Gog], and I will rain upon him and upon his hordes and upon the many peoples that are with him torrents of rain and great hailstones, fire and brimstone.(B)
23-Thus will I demonstrate My greatness and My holiness, and I will be recognized, understood, and known in the eyes of many nations; yes, they shall know that I am the Lord [the Sovereign Ruler, Who calls forth loyalty and obedient service].

Ezekiel 39:1-29
1-AND YOU, son of man, prophesy against Gog, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince (ruler) of Rosh, of Meshech, and of Tubal.
2-And I will turn you about and will lead you on, and will cause you to come up from the uttermost parts of the north and will lead you against the mountains of Israel;
3-And I will smite your bow from your left hand and will cause your arrows to fall out of your right hand.
4-You shall fall [dead] upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your hosts and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to the ravenous birds of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
5-You shall fall in the open field, for I have spoken [it], says the Lord God.
6-I will send fire on Magog and upon those who dwell securely in the coastlands, and they shall know, understand, and realize that I am the Lord [the Sovereign Ruler, Who calls forth loyalty and obedient service].
7-And I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name any more; and the nations shall know, understand, and realize that I am the Lord, the Holy One of Israel.
8-Behold, it is coming and it will be done, says the Lord God; that is the day of which I have spoken.
9-And [when you, Gog, are no longer] they who dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth and shall set on fire and burn the battle gear, the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, the handspikes or riding whips and the spears; and they shall burn them as fuel for seven years,
10-So that My people shall take no firewood out of the field or cut down any out of the forests, for they shall make their fires of the weapons. And they shall despoil those who despoiled them and plunder those who plundered them, says the Lord God.
11-And in that day, I will give to Gog a place for burial there in Israel, the valley of those who pass through on the east side in front of the [Dead] Sea [the highway between Syria, Petra, and Egypt], and it will delay and stop those who pass through. And there shall they [a]bury Gog and all his multitude, and they shall call it the Valley of Hamon-gog [multitude of Gog].
12-For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, that they may cleanse the land.
13-Yes, all the people of the land will bury them, and it shall bring them renown in the day that I shall be glorified, says the Lord God.
14-And they shall set apart men to work continually who shall pass through the land, men commissioned to bury, with the help of those who are passing by, those bodies that lie unburied on the face of the ground, in order to cleanse the land. After the end of seven months they shall make their search.
15-And when these pass through the land and anyone sees a human bone, he shall set up a marker by it as a sign to the buriers, until they have buried it in the Valley of Hamon-gog or of Gog's multitude.
16-And Hamonah [multitude] shall also be the name of the city [of the dead]. Thus shall they cleanse the land.
17-And you, son of man, thus says the Lord God: Say to the birds of prey of every sort and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves and come, gather from every side to the sacrificial feast that I am preparing for you, even a great sacrificial feast on the mountains of Israel at which you may eat flesh and drink blood.
18-You shall eat the flesh of the mighty and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, of goats, and of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan [east of the Jordan].
19-And you shall eat fat till you are filled and drink blood till you are drunk at the sacrificial feast which I am preparing for you.
20-And you shall be filled at My table with horses and riders, with mighty men, and with soldiers of every kind, says the Lord God.
21-And I will manifest My honor and glory among the nations, and all the nations shall see My judgment and justice [in the punishment] which I have executed and My hand which I have laid on them.
22-So the house of Israel shall know, understand, and realize beyond all question that I am the Lord their God from that day forward.
23-And the nations shall know, understand, and realize positively that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity, because they trespassed against Me; and I hid My face from them. So I gave them into the hand of their enemies and they all fell [into captivity or were slain] by the power of the sword.(A)
24-According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I dealt with them and hid My face from them.
25-Therefore thus says the Lord God: Now will I reverse the captivity of Jacob and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel and will be jealous for My holy name.
26-They shall forget their shame and self-reproach and all their treachery and unfaithfulness in which they have transgressed against Me, when they dwell securely in their land and there is none who makes them afraid.
27-When I have brought them again from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and My justice and holiness are set apart and vindicated through them in the sight of many nations,
28-Then shall they know, understand, and realize positively that I am the Lord their God, because I sent them into captivity and exile among the nations and then gathered them to their own land. I will leave none of them remaining among the nations any more [in the latter days].
29-Neither will I hide My face any more then from them, when I have poured out My Spirit upon the house of Israel, says the Lord God.
Footnotes:
1. Ezekiel 39:11 The number of dead bodies left after the great catastrophe which God will send upon Gog and his hosts would necessarily amount to several millions. Their graves would naturally interfere with traffic on the interstate highway. The dead will not be slain in battle. God will slay them by a great "cosmic catastrophe" (Ezek. 38:18-23). And not just some, but "all" of Gog's multitude will die then (Ezek. 39:4, 11); before they have had a chance to use their weapons, God will strike them from their hands (Ezek. 39:3). That one-sixth of the horde from the north will be left alive, as the King James Version says (Ezek. 39:2), is without noted exception conceded to be a mistaken translation by all authorities of modern times.

Posted by: Susan at March 22, 2009 11:24 PM

Soccer Dad is cool.

Posted by: jp at March 23, 2009 12:05 AM

Yitchak? You can't "down with Isaiah"

Obviously not. I was being sarcastic. Hooray for every word of the Old . . . er . . . Only Testament!

Posted by: Yitzchak Goodman at March 23, 2009 1:22 AM

Islam is a totalitarian ideology, not a religion. We know all we need to know about Islam: it is a vicious, narrow-minded, murderous, intolerant and an undemocratic cult � opposite of anything the west stands for

Posted by: OneBusFromHeaven at March 23, 2009 2:19 AM

the language of fear is very illuminating..
this is what happens when a irresistable force[zionism] hits a immovable object[palestinian nationism]

Posted by: sass at March 25, 2009 4:39 PM

sass, you and your ilk are mentally defective. You promote so-called "palestinian" nationalism, which demands a Jew-free state, while condemning Jewish nationalism as "racist". You are sick hypocrites and yes anti-Semitic to the core.

The left will be the downfall of the free world. They are worse even the muslims because without the leftist aiding and abetting it, the islamists can not succeed in their cultural and physical jihad against the west. Sass and fellow travelers ought to be marginalized and treated with scorn for being the traitors that you are.

Posted by: Laura at March 25, 2009 7:59 PM

CRUSH,KILL,DESTROY!!!!!
are you happy now??

Posted by: sass at March 26, 2009 2:16 AM
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