Following on the heels of the Ha'aretz report that soldiers did not abide by the IDF's code of morality, the NYT reports Soldiers' Accounts of Gaza Killings Raise Furor in Israel (via memeorandum)
The testimonies by soldiers, leaked to the newspapers Maariv and Haaretz, appeared in a journal published by a military preparatory course at the Oranim Academic College in the northern town of Tivon. The newspapers promised to release more such anecdotal accounts on Friday, without saying how many.The academy's director, Dany Zamir, told Israel Radio, "Those were very harsh testimonies about unjustified shooting of civilians and destruction of property that conveyed an atmosphere in which one feels entitled to use unrestricted force against Palestinians."
The revelations caused an immediate uproar here, with some soldiers and reservists saying they did not recognize the stories being told as accurate.
Nice of Bronner to acknowledge that not everyone believes these stories to be accurate.
The Washington Post weighs in with Israeli Military Probes Possible Troop Misconduct in Gaza War
Zamir, who leads the Rabin Pre-Military Academy in Oranim, in northern Israel, held a meeting this year for alumni of the program to meet with prospective students, according to an IDF spokeswoman.Some of the alumni had served in Operation Cast Lead, the 22-day Israeli offensive in December and January aimed at the Islamist movement Hamas in the Gaza Strip. What they said "shocked us," Zamir said, according to Thursday's published reports. The institute, which has a curriculum that focuses on Jewish and military values, published the stories in a newsletter sent to its graduates. Zamir also contacted the IDF chief of staff.
Approximately 1,400 Palestinians, including hundreds of civilians, were killed during the war, according to figures released by the Palestinian Ministry of Health. The operation was launched in response to rocket fire into Israel by Hamas and other armed Palestinian groups. Thirteen Israelis died during the operation, including three civilians.
In an interview broadcast on Israel Radio, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said he considered Israel's military "the most moral in the world," though "that doesn't mean there are no exceptions."
Jameel, who did not serve, but knew some soldiers who did, writes:
Now, I know plenty of soldiers who saw action in Gaza during the "Cast Lead" operation, and no one that I know saw anything remotely similar to what Haaretz described.Fast forward to a few minutes ago. Channel 2 TV Army correspondent Roni Daniel stated at 6:30 PM this evening, that he personally tracked down one of the soldiers interviewed for the Haaretz article. Apparently the soldier's testimony to Haaretz wasn't based on anything he personally saw or witnessed, rather based on rumors and hearsay he heard (and the soldier wasn't even in Gaza!)
Truth is rarely important to Haaretz, as long as it can bash the IDF, Israel, settlers, religious Jews, or anyone not agreeing with them.
Though the Times and Post didn't get around to this, Yediot Ahronot (Ynet) published a report that contradicts the Ha'aretz scoop. (h/t Israel Matzav)
It is true that in war morality can be interpreted in many different ways, and there are always a few idiots who act inappropriately, but most of the troops represented Israel honorably,' soldier says in response to claims of immoral behavior during Operation Cast Lead. Reservist: Claims 'fictitious'. 'Free Gaza' movement demands international investigation
Knowing the extent to which the IDF goes to avoid harming civilians, claiming that there were widespread violations of its ethical code during Operation Cast Lead strain credibility.
The next few days will be interesting, as we will see if any IDF soldiers step up to corroborate the stories told earlier. What is clear, however, is that if there were any lapses it was not because of IDF policy nor from the conduct of the vast majority of soldiers.Equally clear is that the world will harshly judge an entire people based on the the slightest, out-of-context and possibly fictional claims. Certainly they should be investigated but not by a world that has already convicted Israel.
Elder of Ziyon isn't making that charge up either. I checked the NY Times archive for the supposed Jenin massacre seven years ago. Headlines tell me that the Times was promoting the story as a possible massacre that Israel did not want investigated.
On August 2, 2002, The Times finally reported that a UN commission found that no massacre had been committed. Great, so the Times followed the story and noted when their version fell apart. Well actually, that gives the Times much too much credit.
You see about two weeks after the attack an Israeli officer, Dr. David Zangen gave an account that contradicted the overblown charges.
Dr. Zangen, who found himself in the eye of the storm, is appalled at the attempt to portray the IDF as an immoral army. "There are those who say that the events in Jenin were like a holocaust. However, if you were to enter the camp, you would find that only a few dozen homes were destroyed. These were homes that were booby-trapped for the purpose of killing soldiers. This was a fortress of terrorism. 200 terrorists wired up the camp with booby-traps, they took control of it and recruited suicide bombers at every opportunity. In recent years, a third of the suicide bombers have come from the Jenin refugee camp. We found photo albums with pictures of children wearing explosive belts; studio photographs of future shahidim [martyrs], children aged between 16 and 18, who want to kill Israelis in suicide attacks. All the homes in the refugee camp are covered with wall-to-wall pictures of martyrs. It is unbelievable. These [martyrs] are their heroes.Their aim was to carry out suicide attacks against the IDF soldiers. If there were innocent civilians in the area, they were either the hostages of the terrorists or collaborators. In any case, during each stage of the fighting, we called out to all those who did not want to fight - to leave the homes. The terrorists exploited the departure of these people, and they were shooting at us."
Though Zangen's remarks were published, the Times did not see fit to report them. Rather the Times waited three months, keeping Israel on the defensive. And the Times even brought back Serge Schmeman to help with the reporting duties at that time, so ignoring Zangen had to have been willful.
Though Bronner reported that it was possible that not all the charges against the IDF may be accurate, he did little reporting to support that claim. Given the Jenin experience don't expect the MSM to behave fairly towards Israel now.
I anxiously await a story headlined: "Hamas investigating charges that civilians were targeted." I won't hold my breath.
Crossposted on Yourish.
Posted by SoccerDad at March 20, 2009 4:17 AMIn the court of international opinion Israel is guilty until proven innocent and not even then. All one has to do is simply make an accusation against Israel and it becomes automatic "fact". The scoundrels calling themselves "soldiers" spreading these rumors know this to be the case and for some sick reason seek to harm their own country.
As for the palestinians, few are innocent, they voted for and support hamas. As far as I'm concerned the entire Gaza strip should have been carpet bombed. I do not care about these people. If you are going to be accused of atrocities anyway, even as you go out of your way to protect enemy civilians at the expense of your own soldiers, you might just as well be as ruthless as you are going to be accused of anyway. Perhaps its in Israel's best interest to start becoming as vicious toward its enemies as its enemies are toward Israel. If Israel were more feared, it would be more respected and left alone not only by the arabs but by the international community which would not want to provoke an Israel they perceived as crazy. Just as the international community doesn't mess with the muslims.
It hasn't paid for Israel to be better than its enemies, to have far higher standards of conduct. The more evil you are, the more you are rewarded. We see how its paying off for the muslims.
Posted by: Laura at March 20, 2009 12:24 PMThis reminds of me a �Democracy Now� piece on the Iraqi war. They managed to round up a few disgruntled Iraqi veterans and encouraged them to vent their spleen on the evils of the war and America. One story was about how American soldiers had fired on a car with a woman and her kids inside. He recounted how the car had approached a check point at a high rate of speed and refused to slow down. The soldiers, anticipating a car bomb or some kind of terrorist act, fired on the car, killing all the occupants.
It seemed clear as day to me that the woman put herself in danger by acting like a terrorist. She bought her death and the death of her children down on herself. The soldiers would have been negligent if they had not fired. Yet, to these nincompoops, her actions did not justify the soldiers actions. There is no pleasing these people. If their lives are on the line any defensive action is okay, but if it is anybody else, them all restraint must be used, even if it endangers many lives.
So it is with the Israelis. The hundreds of accounts of Israeli restraint and humanity are wiped away by one account of a lying person that was not even in Gaza.
I agree with Laura. The entire population of the Gaza Strip should be wiped out. They are all enemies of Israel. This baloney of trying to separate out the �good� from the �bad� and the civilians from the fighters is silly. They either fight, support the fighters or grow up to be the same. Trying to make some out as innocents is hypocrisy in its truest form. Sure, the babies are innocent, but all the terrorists were babies once.
Ha'aretz and news outlets of its ilk will always print the worse of charges even though they are never true. That is why I stopped reading it years ago.
The responsible bloggers mentioned in this post always use the voice of reason and agree that these kind of charges should be investigated and corrected if they are true. But the sad fact is, these stories are never true. I cannot remember one serious charge against the IDF that was true. No, they do not kill �innocents� on purpose. No they do not needlessly terrorize the muslim population. No, they do not commit war crimes. No, they do not break the rules of the Geneva Convention. But that will not stop these liars from spreading their unproven and unjustified charges. The Ha'aretz readership lap this stuff up. That is why I have no use for them either.