September 8, 2008

Obama, biden and israel

Daled Amos concludes why he doesn't trust Sen. Biden on Israel:

Against this background of saying one thing but doing another--while I appreciate what Biden says about Israel, I am concerned that once he is in a different position, one where he will have input on policy and no longer need to score points with his constituency by associating himself with particular Senate bills, Biden will show a different agenda. Under those circumstances, I just don't trust Biden to keep his promises to Israel.

And indeed a recent statement of his:

It is quite a swipe at the organized Jewish community that the Jerusalem Post is reporting Senator Biden has launched against the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. "I take a backseat to no one -- including Aipac -- when it comes to supporting Israel," the Post quotes the Delaware Democrat just chosen as Senator Obama's running mate as saying. "They don't speak for the entire Jewish community. There are other organizations that are just as strong and consequential," he said.
"Aipac does not speak for the State of Israel."

... raised questions at the NY Sun:
Well, it is true that Aipac does not speak for the state of Israel; it is not a foreign agent. But Aipac is the formal voice of the pro-Israel lobby in America, and through its governance structure, represents the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations that is the umbrella group for the Jewish community in this country. Aipac has not publicly criticized Mr. Biden, though it did take different stances than he did on some Iran-related legislation. Aipac has described Mr. Biden as pro-Israel, a description whose accuracy we do not dispute.

If Mr. Biden, though, really thinks there are other American Jewish organizations that are as strong or as consequential as Aipac when it comes to the America-Israel relationship it sure will be illuminating to see him name them. If he has in mind dovish groups such as the Israel Policy Forum or the J Street Project, Mr. Biden is only going to hurt the Obama ticket with that portion of the Jewish vote that is actually up for grabs in this election.

Jennifer Rubin characterizes Biden's statement as

It is further evidence of poor temperament, something that no amount of study can solve. Putting aside the merits of his dispute with AIPAC, the tone and the fact that he is in a public spat with a key representative group from a key constituency says something about his fitness for high office. His mouth and penchant for verbosity are only part of the Biden problem. He is incapable of behaving with restraint, modesty and discretion -- the very qualities you expect in a leader in high office.

But I think Rubin and the Sun are missing something here. I don't believe that Biden's statement is out of line with Sen. Obama's views at all or reflective of a problem with his tempermant. Keep in mind that Sen. Obama said:

"I think there is a strain within the pro-Israel community that says unless you adopt a unwavering pro-Likud approach to Israel that you're anti-Israel and that can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel," the Illinois senator and contender for the Democratic presidential nominee told a group of Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Sunday. "If we cannot have an honest dialogue about how do we achieve these goals, then we're not going to make progress."

Substitute AIPAC for Likud and the statements sound very similar. And indeed there's a school of thought on the Middle East that AIPAC is representative of the Likud. (It's actually, usually representative of whatever party is in power in Israel.)

Or consider that J-Street an organization that would seem to be in line with Biden's statement, J-Street is funded by Alan Solomont, one of Sen. Obama's main fundraisers.

Or consider that the group of Republicans for Obama have a record of being anti-Israel.

This morning, former Iowa Republican Congressman Jim Leach, former Rhode Island Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee, and prominent lawyer and former White House intelligence advisor Rita E. Hauser will host a conference call to endorse Senator Barack Obama and announce the formation of Republicans for Obama.

The theme continues: these Republicans -- with the exception of Jim Leach -- also are very cool towards the American-Israel relationship.

I don't think that Sen. Biden's remarks about AIPAC can be construed as anything other than a sign that a President Obama, would take a more adversarial approach to Israel than the previous two administrations.

Crossposted on Yourish.

Posted by SoccerDad at September 8, 2008 6:06 AM
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Comments

The important question is though- Is Biden/Obama better than McCain/Palin for America? Whether Biden/Obama is better than McCain/Palin better for Holland, Israel, Canada, or Grenada is irrelevant. :)

Posted by: I am so wise at September 8, 2008 9:03 AM

"But I think Rubin and the Sun are missing something here. I don't believe that Biden's statement is out of line with Sen. Obama's views at all or reflective of a problem with his tempermant."
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I agree that Biden is reflecting Obama's approach to Israel, however I'm sure Obama would not appreciate Biden mouthing off and revealing this publicly this close to the election. Biden is a loose cannon and will cause this ticket to implode. I can hardly wait.

Posted by: Laura at September 8, 2008 12:15 PM

In that group of Republicans who have shown they lean towards Obama's views on FP I would also like to mention outgoing Chuck Hagel, who has a long record of being pro-Israel but with some equally strong caveats, Hagel was particularly elusive at a time when allied support is most crucial - War. (Israel Hezbollah conflict).

Hagel has been rumored for months as a possibility for some form of role in an Obama / Biden win and they did travel together to Iraq / Afghanistan. Of course you already know all this but I thought I'd bring it up any how.

Posted by: saus at September 8, 2008 4:55 PM
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