Soccer Dad

I hadn't seen that post. I took a look and wrote up a response.

While I don't think he (that person) meant it the way it sounded, you are certanly justified in your response.

Wow.

Listen , I am not one to ever shy away from disagreement. And I can understand how upset you are at being quoted out of context over at Patriotboy. There is no excuse for that. But I think in your anger, you may be throwing some of this vitriol the wrong way.

What is it? Are you hurt that you didn't make the cut for the Israel Advocacy award? Did that hurt your oversized ego?

As I stated on another blog on Friday, any blog could have "made the cut", just by being nominated in the correct format. If a blogger would really be as upset as you are suggesting by not being nominated, all he would have to do would be self-nominate anonymously.

(BTW, how did get these choice quotes? I bet you fed him the selected quotes, because I really doubt that he would have taken the time search our blogs and come up with all of it.)

I can't imagine that you think this is a fair accusation to level. This is seriously over the line.

While I agree with you that Patriotboy is not a blog whose views I can line up behind, I don't think it's fair to blame the blogger you are skewering here for their views, just because he linked to them.

Listen , I am not one to ever shy away from disagreement. And I can understand how upset you are at being quoted out of context over at Patriotboy. There is no excuse for that. But I think in your anger, you may be throwing some of this vitriol the wrong way.

What is it? Are you hurt that you didn't make the cut for the Israel Advocacy award? Did that hurt your oversized ego?

As I stated on another blog on Friday, any blog could have "made the cut", just by being nominated in the correct format. If a blogger would really be as upset as you are suggesting by not being nominated, all he would have to do would be self-nominate anonymously.

(BTW, how did get these choice quotes? I bet you fed him the selected quotes, because I really doubt that he would have taken the time search our blogs and come up with all of it.)

I can't imagine that you think this is a fair accusation to level. This is seriously over the line.

While I agree with you that Patriotboy is not a blog whose views I can line up behind, I don't think it's fair to blame the blogger you are skewering here for their views, just because he linked to them.

Sigh. I knew I double-clicked that "verify" button.

All the comments the General harvested were from the last month. He did not have to go far.

I read his post as an endorsement of the overall point of the Patriot Boy post rather than an adoption of everything he said. And his overall point certainly didn't rise or fall on the particular examples chosen. In any event, the blogger in question has now posted a correction acknowledging that the General's examples were out of context.

Orthomom - The smug self-righteousness of the post in question suggested that he was waiting for the PatriotBoy post. I find it hard to believe that PatriotBoy would have found a two month old post of mine, unless he knew what he was looking for.
PatriotBoy is from the Nation/Mother Jones world of Jew hating. Where antisemitism is disguised as criticism of Israel. Using him as a representative of Center/Left views is fundamentally dishonest.

4jkb4ia - Nope it was 2 months old. Not something that likely would have come to the top unless it was fed.

Krum - I don't buy that defense. This is typical of DB. If he wants to be provocative let him stand by his invective. He usually goes too far. He doesn't understand the difference between arguing and name calling. And it shouldn't require a keyboard lashing for him to realize that when endorses dishonesty he is on shaky ground. It's too late.

Please Krum and OrthoMom since you are friendly with him ask him to remove my name from his blogroll. He took something that should have been uniting - the JIB awards - and got his allies to turn it into something ugly.

No time now to comment fully; I've already written a post on this. I want to state quickly, however, that the feeding comments accusation was over the line.

I'd like to state categorically that I have never at any time discussed a Jewish or Israeli blog with Jesus General.

Also, I have been through about a year's worth of Jesus General, and I see nothing to suggest that he hates Jews or Israel.

Finally, I am not responsible for the General's posts or for any ugliness that may have ensued. (and, speaking of agendas, why single me out? Robbie, Jewlicious, and Jewschool were in the original post, and I was not. Here I wonder why I was excluded, and the General apologizes - not for going back on some sort of deal, but for not seeing my name on the JIB ballot!

Are you crazy enough to think that my omission, and the subsequent protest and apology were all part of some elaborate set-up?)

SD, you're invited and strongly encouraged to submit evidence that the General hates Israel, or that I collaborated with him; if you can't I respectfully suggest you withdraw the accusations.

My links were not published.

Here's my protest: http://dovbear.blogspot.com/2006/01/am-i-liberal-or-not.html

And here's the Generals apology for not realizing I was in the JIBs: http://www.haloscan.com/comments/dovbear/113708986747909205/#167648

Orthomom - The smug self-righteousness of the post in question suggested that he was waiting for the PatriotBoy post. I find it hard to believe that PatriotBoy would have found a two month old post of mine, unless he knew what he was looking for.

I really don't like the insinuations here. I think you're being unfair. I see nothing in the tone of DB's post to suggest he was "waiting for the PatriotBoy post".

SD - I wrote an entire post which included a few comments directed at DB for not checking the General's quotes before writing his own post. You're right to be upset about this, and his second post about this does little to make up for the first one [though it is an improvement].

However, there are two unfair attacks on DovBear in this post. #1, I think he honestly read the word 'genocide' in the General's post as a satirical exaggeration. The General is extremely sarcastic and full of hyperbolic exaggeration in general, so this makes sense (though here I read it as only a slight exaggeration at most from his POV). Second, DovBear clearly did NOT feed the General anything. He got wind of the JIBs from another J-blogger, and only afterwards did DB come up.

Though you're (rightfully) upset, I think this post went too far.